Buff-Guns :((

[gatt]

8 times out of 10 the buff you can kill is the buff who never saw you. The gunner whos waiting for you has great chances to kill you thank to 0.50 special lethality, convergence and range. Dinger is talking about bullet radius, hmmm maybe thats why you cant evade otto burst even if you manoeuver. Every dedicated buff hunter can say it. Everything else is a nice bla-bla about historical attacks. Take a look at those VHS about Luftwaffe attacks. Without escort they were almost always dead meat. Here you dont need escort at all. Here, sometimes is the escort who run near buffs, some weeks ago I shot down a dweeb Pony who did it  

Slashing attacks work with average-below average gunners. Good gunners will always show you their arses and you'll have lil chances againts them. Our Norden is a joke so they can pinpoint bomb with a little or no correction.

They are flying Osties, they are modeled this way only to allow more players to play, so dont talk about realism, do us a favour. So, the only thing you can do is to leave them play alone, sometimes. I for one cannot resist and get shot down a lot  

[funked]

It's not just the 0.50 in guns, the 303s and the 7.9 mm guns are boosted too.

"This thinks makes this Game bad"
Yes it does.  

[StSanta]

You allied bomber pilot whiners.

Fly the JU88, then you'll appreciate your bombers  



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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"

[MrSiD]

When I host h2h, I usually disable ground damage so the buffs can fly around as much as they like without any harm...  

If they are let alone, they will bomb the field and spoil the fun for the rest (in many cases h2h arenas have only 2 fields.)

If they are attacked, they will shoot down the attacker very easily. Not to mention all those aerobatics which IMO were not possible with the real bombers. I've made fast slashing attacks on b26.. They respond by acm, because of speed my fighter has no chance to match the turn radius.. Then they instantly switch to gunner and shoot me down.

I can easily shoot down 5-10 fighters on a good day.. If I manage to kill even 1 buff without dying myself too, I consider myself very lucky. That should tell something about their leathality.

If I had to choose attacking a buff from similar altitude or being bounced by 3 enemy fighters, I'd choose the enemy fighters. That way I'd have even some chance to live  

[firbal]

Again it's the bombers aren't right because I keep getting killed wine. You want some cheese with that. It seems if I do something other than fly stright and leveal and let the fighter guys shoot me down without doing something, there's something wrong. I don't know where these super bombers are, but I sure would like to get one of those. I keep getting shot down all the time. Once in awhile, I get lucky and shot down my attacker. but mostly I die. Maybe the fighters are over modeled and not realistic.  
Oh, I do fly the JU88. I have both in WB and here. And you can do some real damage with it. But it is weak on it's defenive guns. But I like it anyways.

fireball
457th Bomb Group (H)

[This message has been edited by firbal (edited 04-13-2001).]

[ET]

Youins jest don understan.As there are less and less buffs in pct.of fighter planes,the lethality increases accordingly.50-50 split, all guns the same, 10% buffs and 90% fighters,buff guns get much more lethal.Some day there will be only 1 buff flying and his guns will kill every one in 25 mile radius.There will be many posts about buff guns on that day.Aw shucks,I can't wait.

[Kieran]

 

Fly the JU88, then you'll appreciate your bombers

HAHAHA! "Ar-234"

[TBone]

I just don't understand why buff drivers want the aircraft set up as they are now...  

I suppose you could argue that this setup seems to simulate the leathality that a box of buffs could generate with crossfire - but why not just have a little team cooperation that would require a flight of buffs and escorts - or would that be too realistic?

[Graywolf]

 

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
The Norden is the biggest difference. On WB, bombing was much more difficult. Once you lined up, you really couldn't be yankin' and bankin' around...

Actually with practice and a touch of experience you could haul the Warbrids bombers around and be just as accurate as you can in Aces High. Sometimes it meant you had to do some odd things to 'trick' the bombsight code into doing what you wanted but it could be done.

I used to fly bombers almost all the time in Warbirds so this isn't just speculation  



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Graywolfe <tim@flibble.org>

[Dinger]

I've made and I continue to make stupid attacks on buffs.  I die, accept it as the reward for my stupidity, and continue.
I've flown my share of buffs, and I thoroughly enjoy shooting down interceptors. I also refuse to fly straight and level when engaged.  I am going to use every resource at my disposal, and I don't see anything wrong with that.  And Firbal, I hear you: ultimately the same thing is going to be true unless you have "Afrika" buff gun settings: if the fighter pilot wants to commit suicide and flies up the bomber's six, the bomber will go down.
I've flown against buffs using supposedly "smart" tactics, and discovered that it's just not worth the bother.  Sure, I accept that any time you fly at a .50 cal, you run the risk of dying.  But as Gatt said, if the guy sees me, it's every time.  And it's not simply a matter of getting the pilot killed.  It's the whole wing root detaching after 4 .50 cal rounds hit the plane.  Hell, they couldn't even reproduce that in static tests!

[This message has been edited by Dinger (edited 04-13-2001).]

[DamnedATC]

 

Originally posted by Wulfmen:
This Guns from American Buffs are very unrealistic. This toejam MG´s.
Thats not fun, to get killed from 1K range.
This Game is fun but this fu... sh... is not the best.

Is this a bug or Lousy Settings from the Staff???????????

This thinks makes this Game bad

I think it is a lousy attitude from you.
Your diplomatic skills are rather childish.

ATC

[Wlfgng]

True.. the buff guns are much more lethal here than in RL but it balances game play, which is good.

In RL a lone buff was easy pickins..
that's why they flew in tight formations...
'wall of lead' approach.

[DRILL]

  learn tactics i shot down 3 2 dats ago by myself and they were in a formation   ya just need to learn haw to do it lisen to your fellow pilots  

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DRILL

[Dinger]

Just for laughs, the tu quoque part of the debate.
From tour 14:
pilot vs. B17G/B26B/Ju88/Lanc III

Kills/Killed by
Drill : 35/25
Dingy: 11/12
Dinger: 19/10
Gat: 100/28
Wilbuz: 51/14
FunkedUp: 16/3


The fellow pilots who seem to be better at shooting down buffs tell you not to do it.

[This message has been edited by Dinger (edited 04-13-2001).]

[Wanker]

Fact: Pyro has stated several times that the only thing enhanced about the guns on the buffs is their range. They are effective out to d1.4, I believe. That's it. No added *oomph*, nothing else. Yes, the guns are all chained together, but you still need to man them with a humanoid to use them.

This artificial enhancement of the range of buff guns is a good compromise to give the buff drivers a fair chance at fighting back. It is another of those "gameplay" decisions, that works as intended.

If you guys continue to belly ache about the buff guns and somehow convince HTC to tune them down, you're going to eliminate the buff driver from the game. Outside of Lazs, does anyone really want to see Buffs disappear from the skies of AH?