Author Topic: awesome i dropped all my ord on that hanger! (Read 247 times)

Am0n · « **on:** January 14, 2002, 08:24:45 AM »

But didnt get any credit for it at all!

Seriously..

wouldnt it be nice if we got assist for ground targets like buildings and hangers, CV's and other sea-craft?

The full reward its self, perk-wise, is kinda slim but taking the time to fly there and risking it being extremely over wieght should be rewarded even though you didnt drop the full ammount of bombs to destroy the target.

Maybe if this was implemented we would actualy see some other AC dive bombing.

What ya think?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2002, 08:36:59 AM »

Agree with you. But keeping a counter of damage per player that hit an object and per every object in the map, is, perhaps, an overloading operation for the servers. I suppose this could be easy to implement just only for the ships and big targets like hangars. Anyway, these "assists" will go nowhere cause we have not an structure kill/assist counter/score.

Hangtime · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2002, 09:49:51 AM »

Scene.. high over a bish base, one lone fighter takes a wing offa lanc, the lanc begins to spiral down.

12 lower fighters, circling low around the field see the plummeting pigeon and spring to action... Ahhhhhhoooogaaah!! Ahhhhoooogaaah!! Plane in Death Dive.. PING that sumnabyatich fer an assist!! They scramble madly... it's like a feeding frenzy.

Finally, the Lanc, it's pilot screaming like a girl watches the world get large in the cockpit.. and listens to the incessant pings of the frenzied fighters slappin .303 slugs into the already mortally wounded bird... the server silently keeps count..

WHAM.. he finally hits. Everybody in the sector gets a piece, a "well done" is passed up to the guy that actually picked his wing off 28k up... who is by this time 1/2 way to Canada. The server, while handing out all those assists, chokes fer a sec while it updates the scores of 16 pilots.. and tries to cope with the same thing happening to the hangers catchin some .303 ammo in the bext sector.

When the hanger finally folds to a real bomb, every guy who's fired a round inta the thing gets some server qulaity time...

"Hey, how come my FE went freeze frame at 2 fps???"

LOL

Am0n · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2002, 10:52:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
"Hey, how come my FE went freeze frame at 2 fps???"
LOL

lol great scenerio..

however i doubt that would be the case on almost all points. The server wouldnt see much more of a stress in its work load anymore than it does now IMO. The calcuations involed are already being done, the only thing that it is not doing is giving out the credit to all the participants.

One thing i do agree with is that more people would take the time to attack the base (insted of only vulching for easy kills), which isnt a bad thing at all (nor is vulching).

As it is now many dont mess around with gunning down buildings/hangers because its virtualy pointless. Or they dont mess around with bombing because there favorite ride carries bombs that are not capable of destroying the more important ground targets w/o help of others.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2002, 10:55:59 AM »

Do you really need the acknowledgement that you just dropped a hangar? I normally don't get credit for dropping hangars, but do "just enough" so the next guy can come back and take it down with a few shots.

I don't get perk points for it, but then again I don't get perk points for assists either.

You still get credit for the damage you did, it's under "damage" or something like that in your score. For the fighter it's just a cumulative total for both attack and fighter sorties in which both damage to planes and objects adds up.

In bombers, it's a total of damage dealt to objects and any fighters dumb enough to attack you.

There really is no reason to display "assisted in destruction of a hangar" other than to tell you it went down eventually.
-SW

Am0n · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2002, 11:03:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Stain
Do you really need the acknowledgement that you just dropped a hangar? I normally don't get credit for dropping hangars, but do "just enough" so the next guy can come back and take it down with a few shots.

Personally, no i dont need the message. BUT i think it would inspire some of the german and japanese pilots to make use of the bombs in there hangers.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2002, 11:17:48 AM »

How? Hell, a 190A8 can drop a bomber hangar with one of those 500KG bombs and using the 20mm/30mm load out the hangar will be down after 2 short passes.

I don't think displaying a message "You have already and have always been given credit for the damage you did to this hangar, but now we are displaying a message so you feel warm and snug and because Am0n thinks you'll bomb now" will make people want to bomb... people want to fight other people by nature, it's not going to change because of a message.
-SW

Am0n · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2002, 11:21:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Stain
people want to fight other people by nature, it's not going to change because of a message.
-SW

Yea they do want to fight other people buy nature, thats whey they dont want to waste there cannon rounds on hangers.. good observations.

It would change indeed, im willing to bet that 90% of the people who play AH dont know that they get points for damaging the hangers. Those points are virtualy useless though, only effecting rank. These virtual pilots are perk hungry.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2002, 11:24:21 AM »

Yes, but as you probably already know- you get zero perk points for getting an assist on a fighter... Why should hangars be any different?

And I think you should be lobbying for the person who does the most damage to the hangar to get the credit- not the last person to drop a bomb.

Just makes more sense to me...
-SW

Am0n · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2002, 12:23:32 PM »

Stain, great idea on the damage factor.

I didnt realize you received 0 perks for assist, dont really pay attention to them though. (no perks plane suit me)

Again awesome idea.

You dont feal you should recieve credit for doing a certain percentage of damage to a hanger? i only feal that way because they are pretty hard nuts to crack on occasions when you have no buffs and dont enjoy flying U.S or UK AC.

Frost · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:52:51 PM »

I agree that damage calculation on buildings should be as they are in planes. It's a little frustrating to dump ordinance from a fighter on a hangar, swing around to finish the job and have someone else put two .50s (exaggeration here) into it before you get to it and get the "kill."

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:54:46 PM »

Yes, I believe that if you do more than 50% of the damage to a target you should get credit for destroying it. It's kind of rediculous right now, because you can do 99.9% of the damage to a hangar and some plane furballing low over the field can land a stray 7.62mm bullet on the hangar and get credit for destroying it and thus the perk points for it.
-SW

Am0n · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2002, 07:35:25 AM »

This could be most effective if perks were rewarded buy what percentage of damage you done to the structure.

This isnt like killing a AC or GV, these take a lot of damage to level and all who participated should be rewarded in some way. Rewarding through the rank system is nearly useless, as a incentive any how. As i stated previously im willing to bet the greater proportion of pilots in AH dont know about "%damage" raiting in there ranking, so they dont care to "waste there time and ammo". Maybe there should be another incentive.

i fly the p47 prodominantly(sp) and im tired of seeing deutch and japanese pilots have to resort to different ride so they can feal like they accomplished somehting when dive bombing.

Just for example, the zero is a hell of a dive bomber if you treat her right, but there is really no use for it as is.