Author Topic: Rudy's last act as Mayor of New York (Read 1864 times)

Udie at Work · « **Reply #15 on:** January 14, 2002, 03:22:46 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target

Luckily our democracy is based upon people and not land mass. The logic here I guess is that all elected officials should come from Alaska? Then you could quote the crime rate stats for Nome in winter....that would really be good!

Where is that "number of votes received" stat?

If we were a straight democracy you would be correct sir, alas we are a representative republic who choses it's leaders through democratic elections. If they had something similar to the electorial college for states, Lazio might well be the Senator instead of Hillary. Look at the Bush/Gore map of the USA it looks pretty much the same as the NY map, blue/red ratio wise

This way you don't get the population centers telling the country folk how to do their business.

Kieran · « **Reply #16 on:** January 14, 2002, 03:23:15 PM »

The only thing you have wrong is her home state, which is Illinois. Otherwise you are correct.

Part of her plan to upend Rudy's run for senate was to illustrate how he let the police run rampant. She therefore had no problem jumping on the police when it met her needs. Naturally this must now be embarassing for her, given the sudden rise in popularity of police and fire workers. That she had the gall to try to jump up on the stage in front of them during their concert is an indication of her overwhelming need to be in front of the cameras. Luckily, they gave her the welcome she so richly deserved.

Hillary wants to run for president in 2004; look for more grandstanding attempts.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #17 on:** January 14, 2002, 03:36:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Udie at Work
If we were a straight democracy you would be correct sir, alas we are a representative republic who choses it's leaders through democratic elections. If they had something similar to the electorial college for states, Lazio might well be the Senator instead of Hillary. Look at the Bush/Gore map of the USA it looks pretty much the same as the NY map, blue/red ratio wise This way you don't get the population centers telling the country folk how to do their business.

Even if the state of New York were set up in an electoral college fashion with counties offering a certain number of electoral votes, Clinton probably still would have won. Electoral votes per state are based on population, and the popular winner of a state receives all of its electoral votes (a ploy that strengthens states with large populations, not small ones). With a winner-takes-all-strategy, a candidate can win 15 low-population states and still receive fewer electoral votes than a candidate who wins one massive state (e.g. California or Florida). This would be the same in New York -- Lazio may have won every "electoral vote" from all of the highlighted counties, but their lower population levels would have meant that the fewer but more populous counties won by Clinton still would have yielded a higher electoral total.

What a lot of people are forgetting is that the candidates winning the popular vote have traditionally won the electoral college as well. The 2000 election was a bizarre fluke that highlighted the systemic problems with the electoral college, but the basic pattern stands. Population is more important than acreage.

-- Todd/Leviathn

AKIron · « **Reply #18 on:** January 14, 2002, 03:41:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
The only thing you have wrong is her home state, which is Illinois. Otherwise you are correct.

I thought to be a senator you had to reside in the state?

Kieran · « **Reply #19 on:** January 14, 2002, 03:59:48 PM »

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I thought to be a senator you had to reside in the state?

Yes, that's true. Remember when Bill was in all that hot water and Hillary moved out and bought a house in NY? Yup, she was establishing residency. Even Bill's bad situation played to her favor, garnering her the sympathy vote.

What was laughable was her showing up at Yankee ballgames with a Yankees' hat and acting like a native New Yorker. She began attacking Rudy at this point, and was making pretty good progress. Honestly though, when she sat down to dinner with a few Arab leaders' wives I thought she would lose the Jewish vote for sure.

midnight Target · « **Reply #20 on:** January 14, 2002, 04:01:34 PM »

New York has a history of electing "short term" residents as Senators. Hillary has a residence in the State, just like RFK did in the 60's.

Home State.....aint where you're born, its where you live!

Zippatuh · « **Reply #21 on:** January 14, 2002, 04:03:49 PM »

The electoral college is picked from the popular vote. Therefore the populous vote does represent the electoral college vote and vise versa.

In all but 1 or 2 states the group of electors is chosen before the election. One group representing the democrats and the other republicans. As the populous vote comes in for the state and is tallied whoever has the most from the populous, democrat or republican, is then selected to represent the state at the electoral vote. This vote does not actually happen for some time after the election.

The members that have been picked to represent the state during the electoral process are usually hard-liners to their party and would not switch votes, but it has happened a few times in the past. A republican electoral party is sent to the capitol, based on that states popular vote, and then one of them voted democrat. Needless to say it’s political suicide to do.

So, the electoral college is a representation of the popular vote. By instituting the same system to counties the results would have come out the same.

What outlining the number of counties and how they voted shows is the disparity between rural communities and metropolitan areas in the way they think and believe. I won’t argue that one is better than the other but it should be disturbing that there can be such a difference in beliefs based on the location of your house.

I know two people in about the same situation as the other but one lives downtown K.C. and the other the boot hill of Missouri in the sticks. One wouldn’t think of taking assistance from the government and damn near kill’s himself trying to make it. The other sits on their bellybutton all day and does nothing. Where do you think each lives?

Zippatuh

weazel · « **Reply #22 on:** January 14, 2002, 04:12:54 PM »

If they had something similar to the electorial college for states, Lazio might well be the Senator instead of Hillary.

QUICK, call the Supreme Court!

It might not be too late to steal another election!

Gadfly · « **Reply #23 on:** January 14, 2002, 06:06:36 PM »

Socalist health care.

False billings at her Law firm(please show me what you base that top lawyer info on-other than total billings).

Lost records in her control.

"squeaky" firings of non-political staffers to employ her friends.

Whitewater.

Vince Foster.

I won't dispute she is the brains of the family, but I will dispute the cumulative total thereof.

Yeah, America LOVES her.....

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #24 on:** January 14, 2002, 08:20:03 PM »

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Yeah, America LOVES her.....

Maybe you don't, but the rest of America seems pretty split on the issue. The latest summary of polls through November at Polling Report (a nifty website that summarizes the results of major polls on a wide variety of issues) shows that 44% of Americans approve of Hillary Clinton and 44% disapprove of her, with the rest undecided or indifferent.

Unfortunately, the website doesn't break down the findings into subcategories, as I'd be interested in finding out how Republicans and Democrats split on approval/disapproval. Any guesses?

Here's the link: http://www.pollingreport.com/C.htm

-- Todd/Leviathn

Toad · « **Reply #25 on:** January 14, 2002, 08:46:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Zippatuh
What outlining the number of counties and how they voted shows is the disparity between rural communities and metropolitan areas in the way they think and believe.
Zippatuh

~DING!~ Give the man a SEE-gar.

The acreage stat is (IMO) not too awfully significant....

but Crime Rate, Public Assistance Rate, Teen Pregnancy Rate?

The Roman Empire lasted until the plebeians learned they could vote themselves "bread and circuses" and do no honest work themselves.

SirLoinOfBeef · « **Reply #26 on:** January 14, 2002, 08:55:04 PM »

midnight Target · « **Reply #27 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:18:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad

~DING!~ Give the man a SEE-gar.

The acreage stat is (IMO) not too awfully significant....

but Crime Rate, Public Assistance Rate, Teen Pregnancy Rate?

The Roman Empire lasted until the plebeians learned they could vote themselves "bread and circuses" and do no honest work themselves.

LOLOLOLOL...........Please Government....save us from those Plebians! This is racist bullcrap hiding in a cloak of ignorance. The crime rate, teen pregnancy rate and public assistance rate is higher in the inner city? Shocker!
Maybe the people living in this sesspool of iniquity wanted a change so they voted for Hillary.
Quoting statistics means nothing.............the map is not the territory.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:42:21 AM »

So at the end of Hillarys term you expect these figures to eaven out?

All I saw in Hitlerys campaign were the usual we fix all promises of left leaning politicans.

Real leaders like, Rudy, actually do things to fix problems.

AKIron · « **Reply #29 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:58:45 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target

Maybe the people living in this sesspool of iniquity wanted a change so they voted for Hillary.

You mean kinda like where the governor uses his state troopers to bring him prostitutes?