Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?

[Sturm]

Betsy thanks for proving your point about not knowing the difference in planes,do you know anything about WW2 planes?  I am at work right now so I cannot post anything for a few hours.  If you want some good reading check out books on Eric Brown test pilot for the british and his findings on the Dora's even those did not have MW-50 or Gm-1 you do know what these are and what altitude they start to become affective right?  Of course you do I am so sorry for even thinking you didn't know anything.  But you just had to say something to make someone else look bad, your so clever yet I distinctly sense a bit of puberty coming out of you, 14 right?  Shove off Pesty, your in a no win situation with me, I am relating information to a plane and you well you are relating to a tree humping squirrel, least the family tree looks that way for ya.  Have fun trying to flame me monkey boy.

[flakbait]

Here's some numbers I got from a skinny little book titled Aircraft of WW2. ISBN # 1-875671-35-8

Ta-152 H1
Performance:

Max speed 350 mph sea level, 465 mph at 29,860 ft w/ MW-50. Cruising speed 311 mph; initial climb 3445 ft/min. Service ceiling 48,556 ft; normal range 755 miles; max range w/drop tanks 1250 miles.

I haven't even flown the Ta-152 yet; too busy working on new sounds. I'll check this out and see how it does against this info. Or one of your guys can do it; I've got 5 sounds open in various stages of editing right now.

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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta 6's Flight School
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
 

[Sturm]

Woo you guys are rough, first off I really do not care to spend hours testing a plane that should have been tested thoroughly before submitting it to the community, do I really want to go and pull out all my books and look up the data I have already stored in my noggen?  And post it not knowing if it will be changed or not, or will the cryers come out and say it can't be that good, because then everyone will be flying it.  Before stating such asinine thoughts, think about the facts people, you pay an insane 30 a month for a game that has you flying for chess pieces, not only that but country distinctive plane sets are not in use.  I enjoy flying, I do not enjoy testing for I get nothing out of it, and the corp were spending money on gets free testing.  Just think about it and the light bulb will come on.  Many left FA for AH, no big deal I am still in contact with a vast majority of them.  Did they leave because of flames?  That is beyond a doubt the most retarded response you could have made.  When you know more then me we can talk, is that a blunt statement?  Yes it is....      

[Saintaw]

<Turns the Chair's massage device On, grabs a Six pack and turns to Rip>
"Get 'um popcorn mate, looks like Westy's gettin Hot"
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<Gulps>
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<Waves at Westy>
"Go Westy, Go...!!!"

 

Sturmp, please post Data BEFORE Whining... Danke !


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[Sturm]

Ta-152 H1
Performance:

Max speed 350 mph sea level, 465 mph at 29,860 ft w/ MW-50. Cruising speed 311 mph; initial climb 3445 ft/min. Service ceiling 48,556 ft; normal range 755 miles; max range w/drop tanks 1250 miles.

Flakbait just to let you know they did not use MW-50 at that altitude they would have used GM-1.  As I started out this just shows the data is false.  MW-50 was used for low to mid alt for extra power GM-1 or "Nitrous" was used at high alts.  I will let you all post as much data as possible until I can get home to send some facts to you all.  Until then keep it coming and I will show you how to discount it.  Flakbait not a flame towards you but that is the most common data on the TA series posted in all the ww2 books.  You just have to be able to spot the innacuracies and say to yourself huh?  

[Westy]

Shove off Pesty, your in a no win situation with me, I am relating information to a plane and you well you are relating to a tree humping squirrel, least the family tree looks that way for ya.  Have fun trying to flame me monkey boy.

 lol. what an inbreed.

 Just imagine what this place would be like if we WERE $10/mo?? We'd end up having a forumn in no time at all for kids like this one where they could trade thier extra Ritalin.
 
 -Westy




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[Fishu]

I tested Ta-152H just and I didn't get close
to those speeds.
I used 50% main fuel and full ammo load.

Sea level / 355-360mph
41,000ft / 445-450mph
34,450ft / 450mph
29,529ft / 450mph

Speed was increasing *very* slowly and I quit testings after I didn't see movement of needle after couple of minutes.

I chose altitudes by charts that I saw in this address: http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ta152h.html

It says that Ta-152 H-1 would have following speeds:
34,451ft / 431mph (looks like without boosting or mixed up with 29kft?)
29,529ft / 466mph with MW-50
41,012ft / 472mph with MW-50 and GM-1

So, lack of speed ranged between 22-15mph above 29,500ft.
I say that is quite noticeable difference. (max 450mph isn't same at all with 472mph or 465mph)

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[Ripsnort]

<Rip turns to MASS, digs in hit popcorn, both MASS and Rip turn to Sturm and simotaneously wave...> Cya Sturm!

[Dune]

From The Great Book of WW2 Airplanes.  

Numbers for the Fw 190D-9.  Article by Robert Grinsell.

Take-off Power: 1776hp
Max: 1600hp @ 18,045ft

Speed at 9,480lb loaded weight and clean w/ MW 50 boost

Sea Level: 357mph
10,830ft: 397mph
21,650ft: 426mph
32,810ft: 397mph

Numbers for the Ta 152H-1.  
Take-off power: 1750hp@3250rpm or 2050hp w/ MW50

Climb & Combat Power: 1580hp @ 3000
Max Power: 1320hp@32810ft or 1740hp w/ GM 1 boost

Max Speed

Sea Level: 332mph or 350mph w/ MW 50
29,860ft: 465mph w/ MW50
41,010ft: 472 w/ GM 1


And just give counter-point for the numbers.  The P-51D.  Article also Robert Grinsell.

Power

Take-Off: 1490hp
8500 (Low Blower): 1590hp
21,400ft (High Blower): 1370hp
23,400ft (High Blower): 1065hp

Speed (clean)

5000ft: 395mph
15,000ft: 413mph
25,000ft: 437mph
30,000ft: 433mph


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[Westy]

 I recommend you start a readable topic in the Aircraft forumn Fishu.

 If those figures from that web page were accurate and the source ID'd you know Pyro would change something in error. *IF* he agreed the info was good and it does not correspond to what he has.
 
 -Westy



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[juzz]

"Another note I loaded only 25% fuel and ROC was appalling with WEP."

Fw 190D-9 with 100% fuel in Aces High pretty much matches Naudets climb chart(curves 1 and 3).

"I knpw first thing you will do is flick your fingers thru the closest book on GE planes and note it around 3400 FPM, these test that they show in books, while many being way off are done at full combat weight, when I use 1/4 the fuel to test with WEP 3400 is max I can attain at 150 IAS"

Ta 152H-1 with 100% fuel in Aces High has an initial climbrate of over 3400fpm with WEP at a climbspeed of approx. 173mph IAS.

"I am also curious as to why there are no weapon loadouts for the D-9 or F-8 and TA-152?"

I assume you mean guns? It's because they could only have the guns that are featured in Aces High. F-8 and D-9: 2x13mm, 2x20mm. Ta 152H-1: 2x20mm, 1x30mm.

[J_A_B]

Westy, he isn't a "1 book wonder"...

He is a much different breed.  He's a revisionist.


J_A_B

[Sturm]

Yes but read the little quote "25%" fuel, not 100% that is a huge difference in weight saving some 660+ pounds just in fuel alone.  As far as weapon loadouts or RS packs The D-9 was available in multiple layouts such as the FW 190 A series.  Does this D-9 have MW-50 or GM-1 or both?  First batches of FW-190 D-9's delivered to front units such as JG-26 did not have any extra boost added.  WOuld like to know though, my main beef is the accleration.  ROC I can deal with.      

[Kieran]

.ignore sturm

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Kieran:
.ignore sturm

I think it would be easier for you to just stop reading the AH UBB