Talibans in Cuba, Euro pressure...

[Saintaw]

What do you think the US govt will do?

With the non-conventional fighters/terrorist being held in cages(well, so they say on the News...). We're hearing a lot about this on the News, and also Europe's big dissagrement on the matter. (They want them to be under the "prisoner of war" conditions).

Don't get me wrong, I'd personaly have em chained by the balls, but..ahem, back on subject

[Eaglecz]

thats main diffrent betweeb Euro and US goverments...


"few" euro people are scared about possibility failure of rational way of thinking in US gov.

US polits seems to be able do whatever to be "obey boy"

if you will break basic axiom`s of culture, many people will be disappointed

axiom`s of culture ? ... dont be same as something what we call foolishness
but this coming from history ... but who cares about it when somebody kick our arse


fool with the tool is still fool

[funkedup]

I think Dubya will treat them as badly as domestic public opinion will allow.  I don't think this will be a whole lot worse than POW treatment, except that they will all be going to trial and facing execution.

[-lynx-]

Well... If those liberal dolps would only bother to find out what is a POW and who Geneva convention applies to... But hey - they throw themselves under lorries transporting animals. Now they have humanoids to "protect". And it's vaguely anti-American which is good, right? Or is it left?

[GRUNHERZ]

Isnt it wondeful to be Europe these days, when you have absolutely no real burden of responsibilty and you know the big old USA will come save your sorry soft socialist leasure class bellybutton should anything "really" bad happend.

Its then oh so very easy to criticize the USA who feed its Al Qeadea guests culturally approprite meals, provide religious services, and shock of all otherworldly horrors actually handcuff the poor little innocents.............

diddly off Europe, we got this!


And Im originally from Europe too so can it.

[gatt]

Keep them in the cages, its ok for me. They dont deserve anything, they are not soldiers, they are bloody terrorists and butchers.

However, dont give any chance to Red Cross, Amnesty International, Human Rights or other international organization to say that USA is behaving to them badly (against international treaties I mean) . European newspapers are full of nasty comments about the different/better way USA are treating their american-taliban.

[-tronski-]

Al-Qaeda members are not POW's, however according to the international red cross, members of the Taliban taken under arms are.

The concern is that members of the Taliban are being held unlawfully.

 Tronsky

[Keez]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Isnt it wondeful to be Europe these days, when you have absolutely no real burden of responsibilty and you know the big old USA will come save your sorry soft socialist leasure class bellybutton should anything "really" bad happend.

Yeah that has to be the best argument I ever heard for ingoring human rights. Well America may not be ignoring the human rights of these people, but what they are doing aint right either.

[Xjazz]

After reading this....

Im glad I living in Europe

[Peer]

Yes - held them in the cages or cut their hands off or burn them  or just stone them to death.

Then you also are a perfect barbarian like they seem to be.

The question is not if these prisoners are monsters - the question is if a civilized nation which also claims to fight for human rights and democracy has the right to treat them in this way.

Another question is, how this pictures could be taken to public so easily - considering that they were taken in an isolated military base on communistic Cuba.

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by gatt
they are not soldiers

so how did they declare war to them when they arent soldiers ?

war can be declared on country, not person

[-lynx-]

however according to the international red cross, members of the Taliban taken under arms are.

 How can they be POWs? During the WW2 only memebers of the armed forced wearing uniform etc were treated as such. Anyone else caught with arms could have been simply shot on sight with no rights as a spy? Geez - the liberalism gone isane will be the end of us:(.

[GRUNHERZ]

You Euros are a pretty pathetic spineless lot these days, if it wasnt for America guarding us in second half of the century wed all be speaking russian eating borsch praising Marx and Stalin and loving it. Any you know it.


What human rights are violated here? What could it possibly be? Is it the chains and handcuffs? Or the decent food? Or the ear muffs given to them while in the planes to protect them from the noise? Or the masks for TB?  


The fact is you Euros are gutless lot nowadays, Churchill is spinning over in his grave. God rest his and Europe's soul.

Its shameful!

What happend to the strong proud Europe of the past? You are so afraid of past that you just castrate youselves. Europe needs to get tough again and fast or youll just end up as one useless identiy less mass consumersist leisure class socialst sissies. Youll be the laughing stock of the world.

[GRUNHERZ]

Keez since yousr astute on this enlighten us all as to how we should treat these wondeful people so nobody in nevernever euroland will get upset?

[gatt]

Originally posted by Eaglecz
so how did they declare war to them when they arent soldiers ? war can be declared on country, not person

First, this is not a war between Afghanistan and the USA. This is a war between the USA (togheter with other nations) against the butchers who owned Afghanistan and used it like a terrorist training camp.

Then look, I'm european but I do believe that you cannot consider and treat them like normal prisoners in a normal jail. Do you want them to receive parents or write home or do jogging or work like normal prisoners? They can kill, they dont give a damn about their lives, they are kamikaze. Its easy to speak when you are not there and looking at all this mess from your armchair.

Ypu should read Machiavelli.