Author Topic: FA Flight Model (Read 1272 times)

Habu · « **Reply #30 on:** January 23, 2002, 01:18:45 PM »

As someone said in this thread, yes I am a sim enthusiast who tries almost every new one that comes out.

I am going to give AH a try again in the future. I tend to check it out every 6 months or so. Right now I am totally immersed in FA with the Beta test going on.

I also intend to fly IL2 again. I loved that sim but I do not have time to fly more than one at a time. I wish it was a MMOG, to me that is the biggest flaw along with concerns that it can be hacked easier than a MMOG can.

I also am trying to find some time to fly in WWIIOL as they currently have a free welcome back promotion going on. I have yet to really play that game as it is only in the last version that it has become stable and developed enough for me to give it a fair chance.

My reasons for wanting to play each sim vary. Most of my squad are in AH so that is why I want to check it out. I do not like Bishop Rooks etc as I want to see country dedicated planes. I think padlock is better than a wide angle view and hat switches, just a personal opinion after trying both fairly extensively. I know that issue is pointless to argue so just take that comment as my own opinion. I have heard all the pros and cons a million times. AH is also more expensive. Some people think that is great as it keeps kids away. I know some adults who are more immature than any kid I have ever met. For me the cost is not as big a factor as the graphics and frame rate and resistance to hacking of a game.

Regarding posting on another sims boards. I post on WWIIOL and IL-2 and FA as well as this one.

I read them all, some more faithfully than others, and only post if an issue comes up that catches my interest. I find most of the forums are the same. Most people are polite and interested in other peoples opinions, a few are not.

As far as posting on FA in an AH forum all I can say is that I have learned about every other sim I play from forums that were dedicated to a different game. Every game has its fan boys who take offense to any reference that might be construed as disloyalty. They are the ones who will play it to the bitter end regardless of whether it is seriously flawed or not. I like to think that it is the rest of us that keep the game developers busy trying to make the games better and more real.

Udie at Work · « **Reply #31 on:** January 23, 2002, 01:54:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
Udie,

That argument that HT has flown an real P51 really sux...

How come we had the pre 1.03 flight model FOR SO LONG TIME until they discovered it was wrong? hey HT has flown an real P51 so he should have noticed something was wrong from the beggining

I will say it for you, gameplay concession. or rather caving in for the massess...

ahhh come on man he didn't know that!!! I was tryint to use a picture to make a smart arsed statement

It still applies too

as the AH flight model is the best online MMP flight model out there (ok ok ok IL2 is really good but still needs some fine tuning like the engines heating up too fast)

And for contradicting me?!?!?!?!

Maniac · « **Reply #32 on:** January 23, 2002, 02:18:13 PM »

Hi udie

I dont argue that AH might be the most realistic flight sim out there, but "flaming" (lack of better word) other creators for trying to make their flight sims or games rather more realistic with such comments as HT has flown an real p51

I surely liked the 1.03 flight model, it provided an great challenge in flying the AC. And no one in the AH community found that it was anything wrong with it...

Its an fact that when the WB guys came here on the boards telling us all about this E-retention problem and taht the AC´s seemed to "mushy" they got flamed BADLY!!! the reply from this community was 'dont let the door hit you on your bellybutton on the way out' djust because they critizised the FM!!!

I djust hate it when an developer gets the status of an holy grale wich you cant critizise. Keep an open mind, i think its great that more games out there strive for being more realistic!

The change from 1.03 to 1.04 was not minor

, in fact if we would go back to the 1.03 FM djust for an day people would be in chock!!

Sikboy · « **Reply #33 on:** January 23, 2002, 05:36:26 PM »

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As far as posting on FA in an AH forum all I can say is that I have learned about every other sim I play from forums that were dedicated to a different game. Every game has its fan boys who take offense to any reference that might be construed as disloyalty. They are the ones who will play it to the bitter end regardless of whether it is seriously flawed or not. I like to think that it is the rest of us that keep the game developers busy trying to make the games better and more real.

Im not sure about anyone else, but this has NOTHING to do with what I was talking about. I give up. No mas

-Sikboy

SmooMonster · « **Reply #34 on:** January 24, 2002, 10:39:38 AM »

Just re: the earlier comment about what stick time FA programmers have, the lead developer is a guy called Alex Starykh.

He is a national aerobatics champion in the SU several times over during the 80s. He has flown a wide range of planes, but mainly Yaks 52 and 55. He also has a PhD in aerodynamics. He is a flight instructor, historian, university professor and also an astoundingly talented computer programmer.

Additionally, he is a former national trampoline master champion but the image of him in a leotard scares me so I try not think about that.

He works so hard on FA, his children call him "Who?".

We also have a large number of real-life pilots in the game in everything from aerobatic playthings to cessnas to commercial 747s.

(Someone did ask, so I answered...I'll just wander off to my own interlopers thread now...)

Maniac · « **Reply #35 on:** January 24, 2002, 03:21:41 PM »

But HT has flown an real P51 Golly-geeIT!!!!!

Eagler · « **Reply #36 on:** January 24, 2002, 03:40:27 PM »

FA has/had its place in my flight sim fun

Started in WB, really stunk in there and the few months I tried it, I was dishing out over $100 a month,

then I found FA 1.0. $24.95 unlimited, could hit something other than the ground, joined a squad or two, stayed in FR room majority of time.. had great fun, not to mention the free hats and t shirts with the 6 month subs. Then when they lowered it to 9.95 it was all the better, thought I'd died and gone to heaven when connection was bumped up to beta cable modem tester for TW RR..

when they switch to Fa 2.0, didn't like it as much. After seeing it in a mag (PC Gamer I think), stumbled across AH, after a huge learning curve, the rest is history..

FA has its place, not to mention it probably saved my marriage if not my life

Habu · « **Reply #37 on:** January 24, 2002, 07:14:44 PM »

What FA squads were you in?

Eagler · « **Reply #38 on:** January 24, 2002, 07:40:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Habu
What FA squads were you in?

the first one was called the Lufts, if I remember right

then The Musketeer Escadrille

pimpjoe · « **Reply #39 on:** January 24, 2002, 09:48:27 PM »

i just DL'd FA3(took an hour and a half with a cable modem)

lets just put it this way....i dont thing HTC will be losing ANY customers to this one. at least not anybody with any significance. i took a hellcat up and was doing loops right off the runway pulling 5+ G's the whole time. didnt even come close to stalling. except when pulling negative G's. it stalled when i pulled -1.5G's.

wierd...

i deffinitely wont be leaving AH for this one.

Habu · « **Reply #40 on:** January 24, 2002, 10:08:44 PM »

I suggest you wait till the game goes gold and then try the real room.

You could set the physics yourself if you understood how but to just jump in a plane and take off is not going to get you the FM that you are expecting.

I flew online full real today and the planes stall and snap roll and no you would not be able to loop just after takeoff like that.

Not knocking your opinion I am just trying to enlighten you.

Actually since most of the neat stuff is not available offline I suggest if you want to check it out apply for the next beta (they are going to let a whole load more people in next upgrade) or wait for the gold as I said.

SirLoin · « **Reply #41 on:** January 24, 2002, 11:06:30 PM »

HiTech won first place in an eight man flying competition?How come he can't fly worth a toejame in the MA?

Wingnut_0 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 24, 2002, 11:18:03 PM »

I started flying in FA just as 1.5 was kicking in. Flew there, started a squad there and liked both the arcade and real rooms. Had fun in both.

2.0 came along, crowd changed, ppl like who Westy mentioned ruined any fun I did have. Along with the fact that VR wasn't interested in making changes that would update it from an arcade game to an actual sim/game.

Hearing the loud cries that the game remain pretty much the same as before with prettier graphics turned me off to 3.0. From what I've seen in this monster download doesn't tell me any different. Just a little window dressing.

AH is much better in many area's as far as i'm concerned and more akin to what I want.

StSanta · « **Reply #43 on:** January 25, 2002, 01:57:01 AM »

Habu, no disrespect intended, but it is more than a little bemusing that we've had some FA guys come over here and explain in great detail why this product is superior or at least very good and when discrepancies are foud, the standard answer is "you gotta wait for it to go Gold".

My suggestion to you would be: come here when it's gone gold. I downloaded the demo - and I pay per downloaded megabyte. I learned the hard way what you're saying - that the demo basically cannot give me any of the information I was looking for.

In software terms, I am not entirely sure I'd call it a real Beta version. It seems like an Alpha gone public, which is a very inaccurate use of the term 'Alpha'.

Am sure lots of FA'ers will be incredibly satisified with this product. Am equally sure that you're all excited about the development iterations that's happening.

But I feel conned when I hear "this is the toejam, try it" and when errors are pointed out the answer is "well, you gotta wait for the gold version".

Am beginning to grow a wee bit tired of the hyping of a product, on false grounds (i.e try it - wait til gone gold), and of a product that isn't even a real product yet - it's an intermediary result.

If I run over my quota by 270 mb this month, that download will put me back $8. That's enough for a pizza and some beer. Annoying.

I'd very much appreciate if the FA'ers kept their posts to updates, rather than sales speeches. And you're very welcome back when there's a product we can compare with our current one. Until then, I've heard enough for now.

pimpjoe · « **Reply #44 on:** January 25, 2002, 06:31:51 AM »

you took the words outa my mouth mr.clause