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Offline Raubvogel

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2002, 12:47:12 PM »
I was going to bring up that point Verm, but I didn't want to be called a Jap-whiner :)

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2002, 01:00:34 PM »
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1. Will ack fire at Allies and Axis planes from these neutral bases?

2. Even though nothing can spwan from a captured 'neutral' base' will the rearm pads work once a base is captured?


Ack at neutral bases will fire at both sides, until one side or the other captures them.  Ack/Flak at neutral strat targets will shoot at both for the duration.

Yes, you can use the rearm pads at captured neutral bases.  Think of them as emergency fields or (to use a modern term and concept) FARP's, which stands for Forward Area Refueling Point (or something like that:)).

Regarding the N1K2 vs the F6F...:p
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2002, 01:04:33 PM »
re:rearm pads. "Think of them as.."

I was ;)


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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2002, 01:22:35 PM »
Oh, by the way.  Dot dar is set at 5 miles, bar-dar at 35 miles, radar alt is 500 ft.  Fuel burn rate modifier is 1.5 and icons are set to short.

It sounds like we got us a Gen. George "Westy" Kenny here, eh? "Plans within plans within plans..."
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2002, 01:46:35 PM »
If you perk the Hellcat, you remove the only USN carrier fighter in the setup.

Besides, only 60 N1K2's were operational and flying at the end of 1944.  They were a rare plane, even at the height of their production (428 total?).    Also, the N1K1 was only in testing in mid 1943, and it wasn't until late 1943 that production models were received by squads (70 delivered by the end of 43.)  Compare that to over 4,000 F6F-3 and over 6000 F6F-5 (neither figure includes the night model variants.)  Don't have the totals at the end of 43 for the F6F-3 model tho.  :)

I think the perk value (tho a bit high by CT standards) will reflect the rarity of the N1K vs the F6F (discounting model numbers in both.)   Maybe the perk cost should be lowered to 7 or 8?
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2002, 02:12:18 PM »
"It sounds like we got us a Gen. George "Westy" Kenny here, eh? "Plans within plans within plans...""

 lol. Kind of.  Only because it's slow here today. But once I get home I'm on DD (diaper duty).

  I've had a few minutes to look at it from both sides and I see where I'd tend to strike first, from where and either how or with what.

 (I always got my arse kicked playing RISK though so I may be more of a General Bumbles)

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2002, 05:47:33 PM »
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The perking of N1k2 is a question of history and numbers, but also a question of balance.  

Quite simply a N1k2 matched up against a P-47D11 or F4U-1 is not a good match.  Against a Hellcat, the N1k2 also would be dominant.

We do not have the F4UD in this Scenario, we don`t have the P-47D30, we don`t have the P-51D, not to mention we don`t have the C-Hog.  These are all the natural historical opponents for the N1k2.  They aren`t in the Scenario because they are `44 aircraft.

The two U.S. `44 aircraft included, the P-38L and F6f5 do not have huge performance advantages over their `43 counterparts.

And the other Japanese planes are quite up to the task of fighting any of the Allied planes in the setup.

I will fly Japanese more often, and personally I think a Ki61 Tony will kick D11 and F4U-1 butt.  The Hellcat is a good match for it.  They are both very similar in performance, with the Tony having a little better turn and the Hellcat having a little more speed.  The P-38L would give it trouble if it is flown smart, but the high speed maneuverability of the Tony will make the Lightning look like a cargo plane if U.S. pilot isn`t careful.

The A6M5 is also vastly underated.   A single Zeke can make a mess out of a bunch of low Allied planes.

Sabre could also have allowed the B-17 to be unperked.  That wouldn`t be out of line with history, but likely would unbalance things.

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2002, 08:10:34 PM »
I Would have to agree the Tony is a good plane in this line up, one simply neads to place his shots, those guns hit hard you just nead to be carefull how you use your ammo, and the Zero a favorate of mine it is a realy fun plane to fly, I remember one night when my old squadie Wotan got in one and hosed like 5 in a row came over RW Louad and Clear " The Zeor Rocks!"

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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2002, 09:52:24 PM »
WTG CT CREW!

Gotta a brand new squad just itching to fly here.:D
Thanks for all the work.

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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2002, 12:33:25 AM »
You all realize of course that the A6M5b and Ki-61-I-KAIc are also 1944 aircraft, right?
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2002, 02:44:19 AM »
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Karnak mentions another fact which is part of the issue.  We have definite '43 aircraft in the Spit V, P-47D11, F4U-1, Hurricane IIC, versus a Japanese '44  (and '45 in case of N1k2)  lineup.

Another reason not to unperk the N1k2.

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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2002, 03:23:11 AM »
Buzzbait bring that Tony on! I'll match up against you in my P47D11 :)


heh, u'll prolly kick my butt, but I'll give u a run for ur money :D


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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2002, 11:34:30 AM »
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You all realize of course that the A6M5b and Ki-61-I-KAIc are also 1944 aircraft, right?

Ki-61-I-KAIc entered service in Jan. 1943 and A6M5 entered service in the fall of 1943 according to my reference.

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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2002, 12:40:33 PM »
Ki-61-I entered service in August, 1942.

A6M5 entered service in August, 1943.

Ki-61-I-KAIc entered service in January, 1944.

A6M5b entered service in April, 1944.
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2002, 09:29:53 AM »
I'm curious Karnak, what is your source for those dates? I suspect one of us has an error in our reference material. I have the Rand McNally Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft by Enzo Angelucci. It lists dates for the Ki-61 as follows:
First flight of prototype: Dec. 1941
Service entry of Ki-61-I: Aug. 1942
Service entry of Ki-61-I KAIc: Jan. 1943
Service entry of Ki-61-II KAI: Sep. 1943

This has piqued my interest, I'm gonna do some poking around on the net and see what I can turn up.

I'm not contesting the date of the A6M5b. My text didn't have a date for that particular sub-variant. Whats the diff between the 5 and 5b anyway? Just one 7.7 upgraded to 12.7...is that all, or was there more?