Author Topic: Junta (Hockey Dad) Sentencing Today ... (Read 916 times)

Tumor · « **Reply #15 on:** January 25, 2002, 11:05:13 PM »

I watched part of the trial and read lots of articles on the happenings. I took a fair bit of interest in it as if there is one thing I hate in this world, it's oversized amazinhunks who like to prove to the world how billy badassed they are. I was really hopeing this guy would get put away for a minimum of 20, as he should.

Junta was an amazinhunk bully, no more and no less. He got what he deserved, probably should have gotten more. There is no doubt in my mind he's been in plenty of fights. Hey why not right? He did not make any attempt to walk away from this fight. Oh ...well he did leave BUT HE CAME BACK (fists clenched as testimony goes). Gee...someone pissed of the amazinhunk, he leaves but is so distraught he found it necessary to return and prove his manhood. What a complete amazinhunk loser. He won't be Mr billy badass in prison, you can bet on that.

Rip...I haven't a clue what those guys are talking about but I would have to ask Creamo, do you really whip out a cell and call the cops when some guy is sitting on and beating a woman (bloddy no less)? Man thats just cowardice (no offense as I seriously don't think you Creamo are like those amazinhunks in ??..NY..?? years ago that stood and watched a woman get raped and stabbed to death...I really think you'd roundhouse kick the piss outta the guy too).

Creamo · « **Reply #16 on:** January 26, 2002, 06:53:27 AM »

Dont get all emotional Tumor. I pick on Ripsnore's stories just because he is 100% full of himself and toejam.

Creamo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 26, 2002, 07:12:10 AM »

Do you think Ripsnore promotes this fake General Kung-Fu expert saviour of women bio Tumor, because it's all true and he just needs to inform u unlucky people of his special fortune and powers so you can look for help whenever he is available? Kinda like wasting money on a fake wannabe yuppy car. You cant put a tard in it, and make a yuppie.

And yes, go beat your wife, I'll mind my own bizness and call the police. That way you will be arrested. i ain't no hero, and aint doing some shaq-foo goofy toejam.

Karnak · « **Reply #18 on:** January 27, 2002, 12:20:12 AM »

capt.apathy,

Where was the little guy supposed to go? Leave the building he was workingat? Junta was the guest at the rink, Junta is the guy who left (as he should have) and Junta is the guy who came back in and killed somebody.

Why is it OK for big, athletic types to beat up smaller weaker people? All through my school years whenever a jock would thump a nerd it was always both or just the nerd that got punished.

Junta got off easy as far as I can tell.

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Creamo,

I'm not sure of the exact circumstances that Ripsnort was describing, but I can definately tell you that if I came across a man siting on a woman while beating her face I would physically act to stop him. I probably wouldn't kick him, I'd probably tackle him to push him off of her. I sure as hell wouldn't let him continue to beat her.

I've seen that kind of crap too much as I grew up. I'm an adult now and I don't have to stand for it.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #19 on:** January 27, 2002, 10:25:35 AM »

Karnak, i agree with the jock/nerd thing you mentioned, but that is not a size thing it's a favoritism for jocks. if you are a jock you get away with just about anything in most schools.

you take away the jock thing and it's always the big guy who gets punished. i used to work in a bar everytime there was a fight it was the big guy who got the ride to jail. and it was the little guy who usually started the fight, try'n to prove(to himself i guess) that he's tough as anybody.

the big guy really can't win in a fight like that. if he has enough and just beats the guys ass, he's labled a bully and probly goes to jail. on the other hand if he controls himself and lets the little guy continue to pick at him, slap him, push him, or even hit him and the guy is likely going to be a target for anybody and everybody who wants to show off for a girl.
and the third alternative is they fight and the little guy wins. it happens, the worst i've ever lost a fight was a guy 5" shorter and 30lb lighter. anyway the little guy wins, he's now 'jack the giant slayer' treated like a hero.

alot of people are looking at this as big hotheaded bellybutton hole picks on little nerd and kills him, and they see this as a chance for justice for every jock who beat up a nerd, and they want to see the guy made an example of.

i see it as skiny little hot headed bellybutton hole picks a fight with large hot headed bellybutton hole and it don't work out so well for the loser.
you play the game you take your chances.

mrfish · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2002, 12:54:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
capt.apathy,

Where was the little guy supposed to go? Leave the building he was workingat? Junta was the guest at the rink, Junta is the guy who left (as he should have) and Junta is the guy who came back in and killed somebody.

Why is it OK for big, athletic types to beat up smaller weaker people? All through my school years whenever a jock would thump a nerd it was always both or just the nerd that got punished.

i agree about the jock vs nerd thingy but i dunno, i dont think he was a shy sweet little pacifist nerd. remember junta got pissed because he was encouraging violence anyway.

he sounds more like some little wanna-be top gun hot shot that mouthed off to the wrong guy. a guy like junta wouldnt have come to blows anyway the dude was sincere - my guess is that he didnt realize the gravity of the situation and just kept spoutin'.

Fatty · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2002, 01:22:23 PM »

He killed someone, that's why. If you have the ability to kill someone, you have just a wee bit of responsibility to keep that under control, wouldn't you think? Hell, pretty much everyone agrees the little guy started it, but the little guy didn't kill anyone.

This is like saying after you shot someone, "Why do they always pick on the guy with the gun? The other guy started it."

Vruth · « **Reply #22 on:** January 27, 2002, 02:31:48 PM »

No offence, but both are just as guilty.

The man killed, for being a possible darwin candidate - piss off a guy who looks like a line-backer for the Patriots. Lack of common sense no matter what any of you say. It's like punching a big bouncer at a bar and not expect to be smashed back in the face.

The man who who committed manslaughter - for loosing his control and not realising that the guy may die. He should of shown constraint knowing his strength.

Both men showed a lack of common sense. Both men were fathers and both have suffered losses. It's a sad story no matter what happened.

Does sending the dad to jail make his own guilt any easier to bear? No. He looks pretty flucked up and now faces civil lawsuits.

A kid gets his dad back. A kid lost his dad. No need for any more suffering IMHO.

V.

mrfish · « **Reply #23 on:** January 27, 2002, 06:23:06 PM »

yeah junta is guilty and he has the obligation not to kill people.

i just dont want to see the little guy turned into a soft spoken stuttering shy 98 lb weakling who got sand kicked in his face because he didn't buy into charles atlas' dynamic tension.

he was playing with fire startin toejam with a big guy and junta was playing with fire by not lettin up.

they both got burnt in the end. pointless and violent. kinda like hockey...

moose · « **Reply #24 on:** January 27, 2002, 09:29:50 PM »

I agree with mrfish

A little background---
I've been in a hockey family my entire life. Strapped skates on my feet when I was 4 and never looked back.

Every year the parents get worse and worse. Now I go watch my younger brother play his metro games and the fathers and mothers really get into it. It's disgusting and it's one of the reasons I don't watch many games anymore. I'm just glad in my mens league, we don't have parents. We beat each other up on the ice.

Anyway..
A year and a half ago a parent on another team got in a serious argument with my father for some reason or another at one of John's metro games. My dad is 6'5", this guy was about 5'8". He kept picking at my father but wasn't getting anything. So he shoved him.

Dad then picked the guy up by his neck and threw him against the glass and then held him against there. The guy asked for it. Of course it wasn't the *right* thing to do but when you face someone with an inferiorty complex there's a limit to what you can take. Of course a load of parents broke it up after that but you *know* that guy was shaking afterwards. And he deserved it. Had it been me, I would have done the same thing.

Juanta had a valid complaint to Costin about how Costin was letting things get out of control in his practice. Somehow that devolped into an arguement and the rest is obviously public knowledge.

Oh, and Costin had a background too. Had done time in jail for his temper problems. He wasn't a perfect one either.

So, when I think of Juanta and Costin, I think of that little guy picking on my dad. The only difference is that my father knew when to stop. But don't mix that up with the 'bully' complex that Juanta has. I bet that guy Costin asked for it.

Zippatuh · « **Reply #25 on:** January 28, 2002, 11:36:26 AM »

The “big guy little guy” argument has no weight. The problem is everyone is trying to stuff this situation into a nice little box. Guess what, there is no box for it to fit into.

Ok, Costin had a record and is credited with starting the fight. He was smaller than Junta so he deserved it? He deserved to have his head slammed into the ice because of a kids hockey game? There is no justification for murder. Hell, as an adult there isn’t a justification for any type of fighting. Self defense or aiding another in need is about the only reasons someone should have to resort to fighting.

Why, because we’re not on the playground anymore. As adults the amount of damage that can be dealt out compared to the amount that can be handled is way off balance. Up until about the age of 22 I had several scraps. Now only two things worry me about fighting. Either I’ll end up having my bellybutton handed to me or I’ll end up killing someone or coming close to it.

As you age fighting becomes less about stature and more about life and death. There were numerous ways that Junta could have dealt with the situation, as well as Costin. The fact remains it moved from a heated emotional confrontation to one of the parties leaving. Then making a conscious decision to return and “finish” it. He did.

One man is dead. The whole of his life was only worth 6-10 years. That is very sad. No one deserves to die over a difference in opinions about a hockey game, hell hockey practice.

Zippatuh

Ripsnort · « **Reply #26 on:** January 28, 2002, 11:54:07 AM »

Why Creamo can remember stuff about me from over a year ago is beyond me, probably wishes he was me or something (shrugs)

Anyway, to cut the story straight, short and sweet..I came across two young ladies and a fairly large man (bigger than me!) in a parking lot, he was sitting on one girl, beating her, while her friend in vane tried to push him off...I probably should have ran and called the cops (LOL creamo) but I chose to stop the violence, after all, blood was everywhere, and the bloodied face on the girl said to stop it or watch her die...so I shoved the guy off the girl and began to kneel by her to see if I could help...he stood up and charged me (making sounds like a football player would I might add) so I simply stood up, and planted a round house kick perfectly on his chin. No one was more amazed at the timing and accuracy than I...and the medics (someone had the sense to call the cops, and medics, creamo) that attended to this gent asked what weapon I'd used to break his jaw with, I removed my boot and handed it to the police. Anyway, cops have to arrest someone when theres a domestic dispute in this state, I was the only one not hurt, so I went downtown. The case against me (Assault) was thrown out of court after about a 5 min dilberation from the judge. Incidently, the guy with the wired jaw did time for his 3rd assault offense in a separate case.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #27 on:** January 28, 2002, 11:58:30 AM »

Size is irrelevant. Past history is irrelevant. You all are almosting making it sound as if the little guy would have gotten off if the situation was reversed.

Slamming someone's head repeatedly against ice (or concrete) is going to get you sent to prison. Its not about who started it.

AND ITS NOT ABOUT "ASKING FOR IT". Tell me... just how does one ask to have his skull smashed against the floor? That reminds me of a guy that called into a radio talk show to discuss the real issue during the O.J. Simpson trial... "The real issue is what did she do to make him do that".. implying that the whole thing was her fault for illiciting that reaction.

The man killed another man. He did it in an incredibly brutal manner. No amount of words can make that deserved nor justifiable.

AKDejaVu

Eagler · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2002, 12:46:13 PM »

I mention size only to state the case the larger man could have easily removed himself from the violence much easier than if the sides were reversed ... he could have OWNED him but his ignorance prevailed..

Nifty · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2002, 01:15:29 PM »

hate to use a cliche, but it takes a real man to walk away from a fight. All Junta had to do was get his kid and go home. From there, if the hockey team was in an officially sanctioned league, call the league offices and report the other father's attitude towards him, and more importantly, the way he was conducting the practice.

I don't know where or why it started, but some parents are out of control at sporting events for their kids. It used to be about fun for the children, and only the kids took it semi-seriously. Now the parents NEED their kid's team to be the best, and only winning is important. Awhile back, not sure when, a bunch of parents took exception to the way a ref was calling a girls U-14 (maybe U-12) soccer match. They taunted the ref during the game, and after the game, followed the ref all the way to the car, and was threatening the ref and the car with physical violence. A couple of other parents diffused the situation long enough for the ref to leave in peace. The real kicker in all of this? The referee was a 17 year old female. A bunch of 30 something dads threatening to beat an underage girl and trash her car because she wasn't calling enough fouls. The real losers in this case were the kids of the team. Their parents got the team barred from playing in the league for a minimum of 6 months, and a maximum time of a written and signed apology to the ref. Didn't read anything else on it after that.