Author Topic: G10s & d9s (Read 314 times)

AKcurly · « **on:** April 16, 2001, 03:52:00 AM »

A typical (note I said typical, not a master of disaster) fight with a d9 goes like this:
You close, both evade the HO and then reverse. If you out turn the d9, he runs; if he has alt on you, he pendulums back and forth until you are near co-alt and then he runs; if you have alt on him, he won't fight at all, he runs like a girl. Of course, you can't catch him.

Fun, huh?

A typical fight with a G10 goes like this: He comes in at 25k and tries to tempt you into climbing up. If you won't bite, he tries to sneak up on someone.

Eventually, the g10 runs out of fuel, or loses sufficient alt that he has to run home. Even more boring (for the opponent.) Pretty exciting for the G10 pilot.

If you won't fight their fight and you're in a hispano or 50 cal bird, frequently you can shoot part of their tail feathers away as they're running for home.

Vintage hunstang. <bleah>

AKcurly

Jekyll · « **Reply #1 on:** April 16, 2001, 04:29:00 AM »

So let me get this right... you're complaining because the 190 or G10 won't fight YOUR kind of fight?

Fighters fight from a position of advantage - period.

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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** April 16, 2001, 07:02:00 AM »

Doras are terrible they for this no doubt, but so what? Chogs do this to nikis and SpitV, Spit9 does this to zero, 95% of Typhoons do this to my G10 at low alt.

As for the G10, which I prolly fly as much as anyone ill try my best to reasonably and closely dogfite pretty much any plane as long as we have some free time to ourselves, but if that spit or niki or chog gets on my 6OC u bet ur bellybutton Ill run away- of course you wouldnt cuz u like getting blasted sooo much?

Kieran · « **Reply #3 on:** April 16, 2001, 08:00:00 AM »

I'm with Grunz- it's one thing to tackle only one plane in a 109G10 or 190D-9 co-alt, it is another altogether to fight multiples. I will turn with about anyone for a few so long as I have energy, but you bet, I use the acceleration to separate and gain some back and re-engage when necessary. As for engaging multiple cons in either one of these planes on equal terms, well, that just ain't smart...

hblair · « **Reply #4 on:** April 16, 2001, 08:28:00 AM »

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Originally posted by AKcurly:
A typical fight with a G10 goes like this: He comes in at 25k and tries to tempt you into climbing up. If you won't bite, he tries to sneak up on someone. Eventually, the g10 runs out of fuel, or loses sufficient alt that he has to run home. Even more boring (for the opponent.) Pretty exciting for the G10 pilot.

If you won't fight their fight and you're in a hispano or 50 cal bird, frequently you can shoot part of their tail feathers away as they're running for home.

Vintage hunstang. <bleah>

AKcurly

bah! I've been flying the G6 more than the G10 lately, and in my case, I usually pick out a plane or two on the outside of the furball to mix it up with. I've spent several minutes working the bad guy to the deck, heck, I'll turn with nikki's, spit's, and usually even zeke's for the first turn or two. It can get frustrating after working the bad guy to the deck having not one, but a couple of Hawg-C's come bumbling through there spraying their 20's like skunks.

One way to improve your flying/gunnery is to fly the G6 with a single 20 in the nose, then jump back in a hawgC and you'll be superman.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2001, 08:51:00 AM »

I do think that the things that people dog CHOG drivers for are used more frequently by the LW pilots flying these two birds.

At least with most CHOGS, if you avoid the HO they stay and fight.

Seems I've spent more time trying to avoid hun HOs this tour than I have any other plane in any other tour. Then watching them extend (most times simply run even though nobody is chasing). It does get tiresome.

And... just so I've got this straight... You're only a dweeb if you HO in an F4u-1C and you're only a dweeb if you run in a P-51? Just checking.

I have noticed that the best fights this tour have been against F4u-1D pilots. Dunno why.. just seems the way its been.

AKDejaVu

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #6 on:** April 16, 2001, 09:32:00 AM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
At least with most CHOGS, if you avoid the HO they stay and fight.

Are you comparing the maneoverability, gun power, snapshot capability, zoom and dive characteristics of the CHog with those of the D9 or G10???
You can bet, any D9 or G10 pilot can stay, fight and win with CHog every day.

hblair · « **Reply #7 on:** April 16, 2001, 09:32:00 AM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I do think that the things that people dog CHOG drivers for are used more frequently by the LW pilots flying these two birds.

lol! You gotta be kidding me.

I've taken maybe 5 HO's this tour in german iron. I did one last night against a hawg-C while flying the 109G6 with a single 20 in the hub. I won it too.

milnko · « **Reply #8 on:** April 16, 2001, 10:57:00 AM »

As I recall from last night I made the mistake of tryin' to turn my 190a5 with AKCurly's P-51D...in a furball with 109's & F4UC's around...I died.

Made a strong arguement for me to go back to my field and grab a NIKI for the next furball.

I'm not complainin' mind you, my screw up, I shoulda extended away, then re-engaged when the conditions we favorable to me.

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Sturm · « **Reply #9 on:** April 16, 2001, 11:23:00 AM »

Ah yes Milenko but then you would be labeled a runner

. I don't care if I see a FW or 51 stray away I know this guy knows what he is doing and using the plane to its ability. I know many can attest to this as they see me draggin a train of planes usually. The best one yet was Moose and company think hblair was there as well. Came ripping through all of them got a kill maybe got another one not to sure was draggin 9 or so and of course the usual taunts. But it was hilarious and yes I was running. But what they didn't hear was me calling for help on country channel.

Sturm6: Jesus can someone clear my 6?
Crowd: Err whats your location?
Sturm6: Look on the map you guys see all those red dots chasing and the one green dot?
Crowd: yeah? "relaxin at base waiting for next raid"
Sturm6: thats me "pinging noise in background"
Crowd: Oh right we see ya out there, Copy vectoring from 2 squares away to cover
Sturm6: Doh!

You will always see me and my Dora screaming thru a crowd. And will I stop and turn fight ya? Phhaaattt chance

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AKcurly · « **Reply #10 on:** April 16, 2001, 02:48:00 PM »

Jekyl, others

Nah, I wasn't complaining about being smart. Heck being smart is fun.

All planes should be flown in exactly the manner which optimizes their chances for a kill.

I picked on d9s and g10s because there's an obvious smart way to fly them.

I wanted (and got) confirmation from some of the LW crowd that guys should fly their planes in a manner which maximizes their strengths and minimizes their weaknesses.

Heh, that sounds obvious, right? Sometimes you have to wonder.

AKcurly

Pongo · « **Reply #11 on:** April 16, 2001, 04:28:00 PM »

hunstang...
I like that.

StSanta · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2001, 06:02:00 PM »

Hm, I fly 109s very aggresively - divbing in but keeping speed low enough for me to be able to turn, do yo yos, split s's and anything else that's needed.

But agree with the Hunstang thing. L hate these InstaLW converts

Except frenchy.

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