Lets talk a bit about scores.

[MikeKA]

Originally posted by mrsid2
Easy score by vulching is why we see the top ranked pilots flying in the overpopulated countries.

If scoresystem would be revised so that the players whose country has least players (meaning the toughest job having kills, often 4:1 odds) would get the highest points for kills, maybe the scorewh.. oops I mean the highest ranking players would do what they're supposed - balance the sides.. Because that would be the best way to make score.

The endless imbalance in the arena only ruins some people's day while making a couple individuals happy vulching and the rest flying around with no targets. Of course presently the strat folks have their heaven when they can take over empty fields - nobody left to defend.

I have to ask from all those: WHY DONT YOU PLAY OFFLINE IF YOU LIVE ON TAKING EMPTY FIELDS?

Much smarter option would be to switch side so that sides are balanced. Even fight leaves more opportunities for both sides and only then the true skill will result in a victory.

Great idea on giving the less populated countries more points for kills.  That'll work 100% certain it'll work.  In fact not only give them more points but more perks, that way the perkhoarders will help balance as well.  Of course all of this would have to be base on how badly a country is outnumbered.  It wouldn't make sense to give more perks to rooks when there are 76 rooks vs 78 knights vs 77 bishops.  Or would it?  I dunno, but I think a kind of constantly updating "underdog bonus" of perks and points would be the perfect solution to the lopsided problem.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by mrsid2
Easy score by vulching is why we see the top ranked pilots flying in the overpopulated countries.

Your factual assertion is wrong.  I did a quick check of the Top 10 fighter pilots and found that three belong to Bishops (Fester, Ypsilon, AKNimitz), three belong to Knights (Wilbuz, yancya13, Hanzo), and three belong to Rooks (MANDOBLE, Rammjagr, tukiyo).  One is miscellaneous (me).

Surely they can't all be flying for overpopulated countries, especially since I've seen at least seven or eight of them up at the same time.

You've suggested an unnecessary remedy based upon flawed statements of fact.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[mrsid2]

DMF that has nothing to do with arena imbalance and the fix that is needed for that though.

Whenever I bring out this issue I get retarded 'everyone gets their turn in the bucket' comments. The point is no country should go there! What's the use for a US player to know that his country RULEZZZ on euro timezone? None. The same applies vice versa.

Whats the use of a player changing to the smallest side now? It makes all the difference. The change in the scoresystem could make some players consider the change in hope of benefiting from it. Just like now all the dweebs switch to the winning country before reset in hope of free perks

The countryhopping in hope of easy score is what presently makes things worse when it could be used to make things more balanced.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by mrsid2
DMF that has nothing to do with arena imbalance and the fix that is needed for that though.

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By your own statement it does.  You suggested that by offering scoring incentives, the "scorepotatos" would switch sides to balance things.  However, the top "scorepotatos" are balanced evenly between all sides.  Your assertion that they only join the side with the largest numbers in order to vulch freely obviously isn't true.

Whenever I bring out this issue I get retarded 'everyone gets their turn in the bucket' comments. The point is no country should go there! What's the use for a US player to know that his country RULEZZZ on euro timezone? None. The same applies vice versa.

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I don't recall making a statement like that.  I simply refuted your incorrect factual assertion that the top players achieve their scores by joining sides with massive numbers advantages and then vulching ad infinitum.  This statement was also the basis for your arena imbalance proposition which was similarly flawed as a result.  Think of it this way.  If you argue that the world is flat, and a remedy to falling off the edge is to not sail so far in any direction... you'd be wrong.  The factual assumption of a flat world would be incorrect, and the notion of limited sailing wouldn't be a remedy to anything at all.

The countryhopping in hope of easy score is what presently makes things worse when it could be used to make things more balanced.

It's a novel idea, but this isn't true for the Top 10 fighter pilots.  Of the Top 10, only two that I recall had kills in more than one country.  Rammjagr was Knights before going Rooks, so he has some kills in both countries.  And I hop around to different countries every other day or so, so I have a pretty even balance of kills from side to side.  The others never changed sides in hopes of an "easy score."  How exactly would changing the current system affect them?

-- Todd/Leviathn

[mrsid2]

I stand corrected on the part of the 10 top scoring pilots.

As what goes to the rest of the issue, how do you think balancing the countries would somehow limit your play?

It would limit some of your score, but only if you're flying for the country who has significantly bigger number of players online than the one being attacked. If you're really worried about that then you already proved my point..

The arena IS imbalanced. As I wrote this I took a snapshot of the situation on the arena. The situation is actually quite good now compared to the time when fields get narrowed down to 3-4 and the countryhopping really starts. Those times the imbalance is often 4:3:2

[AKDejaVu]

My GOD! That snapshot CLEARLY PROVES EVERYTHING!!!!

Its not like someone else will get a snapshot from later tonight where knits have numbers and bish are in the hole.  Nah.. that can't possibly happen because you have provided a snapshot that proves things conclusively.

What they hell were you thinking?

AKDejaVu

[Rude]

I say the following.......

Dale....evenly divide up all accounts between the 3 countries...feel free to break up squads...we need parity man!!!

Are you people nutts? It's a game!!! Enjoy it!!! If you feel outnumbered, get pissed and do something about it, like....kill folks...lotsa folks!!!

I kill everyone I engage, unless they kill me first...there's nothing to it!!! Really!!!

[mrsid2]

AKDejavu did I mention a specific country ANYWHERE in my post?
Use your brain man! The same change would help also the bishops when its their turn 'in the hole.'

It would be beneficial for the players to switch to the outnumbered side - no matter which country it is.

There is no downside to this!

[Dead Man Flying]

Hm.  Uneven numbers you say?  Well, let's look at the arena as of ten minutes ago.

Seems that Rooks and Knights are even with Bishops enjoying about a 20% numbers advantage.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Dead Man Flying]

But wait!  What's this?

Oh, it seems that the outnumbered sides are ganging the poor, hapless Bishops.  It sure would be nice if more people would join Knights or Rooks to save them from the Bishop hordes.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[AKDejaVu]

AKDejavu did I mention a specific country ANYWHERE in my post?

No you didn't.  Instead, you used a fricking snapshot to summarize how things are in the arena.

What is it you want exactly?  Even numbers?  How about even numbers evenly distributed amongst all fields on both fronts?  How about even dispersement of even numbers of all types of aircraft?

Basically, you just show up and the game tells you where what and when you can fly.

You know what I want?  For you to stop and think about exactly what it is you are proposing.. or asking for.. or expecting from this game.  Then come back with some ideas that actually make sense.

AKDejaVu

[Drex]

Thats not even a real screen shot, Leviathn, if thats your real name.  I can tell photoshop hacking, you loser.

Drex

[Wlfgng]

lol Drex.  

oh wait.. scores?!?!?  we have scores?!?!?!???

[mrsid2]

Looks like we found a hardcore gangbanger here ..

You can say what you want AKDeja, you can't silence me though.

Neither one of you have yet showed anything that would speak against my suggestion. This system would hurt nobody and potentially benefit many..

Only the true gangbangers would then lose some points because they're too gutless to fight with even odds.

Leviathan: What you said about two countries hitting one is absolutely true. It's a sad state of affairs especially when the two bigger countries hit the small one. That factor is what pushed me on this crusade originally, it happened too often and too easy.

There is a clear logic to why things were like they were in your picture - the two smaller countries counter superior numbers of the leading country by concentrating power against it. If the numbers were not lopsided there's a good chance that the battle would have continued evenly between the countries.

However when the numbers are lopsided, as they usually are, the battle will never be even. Some country will always be hit beyond their ability to respond which leads to massive defeats by overpower, despair of the defender and a bad taste in general.

At some point it seems futile to take off a field only to know that the fight will end up to a 4-1 situation and a certain death.

[AKDejaVu]

This system would hurt nobody and potentially benefit many

LOL! I love statements like this.  They are totally worthless.

You do realize that those you are chosing to "benefit" are the ones currently establishing the numbers "imbalance" in the arena?

Come now.. YOU'D like to see more even numbers because somehow YOU think that would make YOUR gaming experience more enjoyable as if somehow the actions of everyone else in the arena dictated that.

AKDejaVu