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Offline Regurge

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190D9 20mm guns, left deviation
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2002, 07:41:20 PM »
Ok it looks like there is a bug in auto-level. It keeps your pitch and roll contant but NOT yaw. I just checked the d9 and like the p47 it yaws to the RIGHT very slowly. Its like a very slow rudder turn to the right.

The best way to see this is to put the center gunsight dot right on the edge of the target and hit auto-level. Looking at the center dot, you'll notice that the target moves left 1 pixel every couple of seconds. It takes roughly 10 minutes for the sight to move from the center of the target to the edge, which corresponds to about 3/4 tick on the compass. This occurs when the guns are NOT firing, and presumably when they are firing as well.

Obviously, this is going to accont for some of the left-bias shooting.

Offline AKEagle+

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« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2002, 07:47:26 PM »
That .target command is pretty sweet :)

But it isn't published in the Help or short doc.

Are there anyother dot commands that people know of that aren't published in the HC docs?  

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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2002, 12:40:59 AM »
Mandoble and I both posted on the D9 guns about 6 months ago after talking in the MA.  I flew the D9 just about exclusively since its' introduction into the game.

I noticed that the Pilot had to almost "stick" the guns in the enemies canopy to get a good kill.  300 or closer was the norm.

I flew it enough to get over 200 killz in it in one campaign...and believe me it was a chore.

Now I fly the P47D30, I have more guns (8X.50s') and have the convergence set further out then I did in the D9.  One would think that with 8 guns firing as opposed to four, and from firing farther out in the P47 my hit percentage would be lower ( faster rate of fire, more ammo and more guns, and firing from greater range) but that's not the case?? It's improved.

Now I do know that from firing at closer range your hit percentage would be better (patience in getting a firing solution etc.)  And if one flew the D9 enough they would understand what MANDOBLE is talking about.  It is a very tough plane to get clean kills in.  You'll lead the league in assists.
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190D9 20mm guns, left deviation
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2002, 03:31:10 AM »
Well, Hajo, after hundreds of kills with D9 I've find out how to kill a 250 yards static target aproaching by its dead six. And this is not a joke, believe it or not, that situation ends a lot of times with only two or three pings.

In the past tours I've flown several missions with 50" armed planes (P47, F6F, P51 and P38), all of them have extremely accurate weapons, specially the P38. All of them able to disintegrate a 500 yards static target aproaching by its dead six with a single short burst.

Actually I continue flying D9, and using the GS center to aim at anything is the best way to fail every shot.

It may sound like a whine, but, IMO, there is too many recoil effect/vibration/dispersion for wingROOT mounted guns. I thought wing root was a very stable placement for these very lo-rof, lo-muzzle-vel guns. Based on this asumption, IMO, wing (not root) mounted hi-rof, hi muzzle-vel (supposedly very hi recoil effect) hispanos should have much more dispersion/vibration effects, specialy when spraying.

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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2002, 03:44:01 AM »
Does Ju-88 still shake when you fire that one 7,92mm ?

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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2002, 02:24:50 PM »
At the CON, HiTech was showing a few of us the gun target feature.

He said that you had to perform any tests with autopilot off, because it will constantly adjust the attitude of the aircraft and give you bogus results.

Just FYI

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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2002, 02:58:55 PM »
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Originally posted by Staga
Does Ju-88 still shake when you fire that one 7,92mm ?


Yes, and I always thought that was hilarious. Shakes the Ju88 more than it does the plane you're hitting.