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Offline weazel

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2002, 12:36:00 PM »
My question is, Weazel, "Where was this writer during the last administration?" I can accept the possibility of truth in this now. Can you accept the last administration had its hand shoved just as deeply down the cookie jar? Do you believe the next one won't?

I'll respond to your question Kieran since your one of the few bush supporters I respect.

I've said several times on this UBB that Clinton was a crook, I only supported his right to privacy, and yes...based on the current and previous 3 administrations I believe that it's only going to get worse.

Udie: skip....Clinton...skip...Clinton...skip...Clinton

Clinton isn't president anymore, get over it.

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2002, 12:57:25 PM »
This guy didn't write all of that simply to say "Oil concerns dictate Middle East policies"... did he?

That wins a big fat "DUH" in my book.

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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2002, 01:30:58 PM »
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This guy didn't write all of that simply to say "Oil concerns dictate Middle East policies"... did he?

That wins a big fat "DUH" in my book.

AKDejaVu


Thats a pretty simplistic view of the allegations the book makes isn't it?

The republican party should change its symbol from an elephant to an ostrich with its head buried in the sand......or in its ass.

Groinhurtz, does caring about the direction our government has taken automatically make me a "well known USA hating leftist idiot"?

 Just because I don't like the rat in the white house doesn't mean I don't care about my country.

Seems to me the shoe fits those who don't care. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2002, 01:34:45 PM »
Well, in deja's defense it's a pretty simplistic storyline.

This story is nothing new, by the way.  It's been floating around being quoted from different, um, I'll call them niche, internet sites ever since the first bomb dropped.

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2002, 02:19:40 PM »
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Well, in deja's defense it's a pretty simplistic storyline.

This story is nothing new, by the way.  It's been floating around being quoted from different, um, I'll call them niche, internet sites ever since the first bomb dropped.



 Fatty, this has been going on longer than 9/11, Cooleys book was published in 2000.

In a book entitled Unholy Wars, ABC news correspondent John K Cooley reveals United States and multi-national oil companies intentions to establish pipelines to route the oil and natural gas of Central Asia and the Caspian Basin to the West. To this end the aims of the generals of the Pakistani ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) and their American counterparts, the CIA, converged. They saw in the Taliban the means by which they could achieve their objectives.  

In 1993, Pakistan and Turkmenistan had signed an agreement to jointly develop their energy resources and build a pipeline between the two countries. UNOCAL, based in California, signed a protocol with the Turkmen government to explore the feasibility of building this pipeline. The one-year study cost $10 million for a huge energy project worth $18 billion, to transport Turkmen oil and gas by pipeline to the Indian Ocean. This trade and energy would run through Pakistan, America's ally, rather than through Iran, her adversary ever since the overthrow of the Shah in 1979. This will also bypass Iranian ambitions to channel Turkmen energy.  

A further objective of both the Taliban and Pakistan is the recovery of natural gas from northern Afghanistan's Shibergan province, pumped northward to Russia through Uzbekistan. Afghan estimates of the resources in the Shibergan gas fields run to 1,100 billion cubic meters. Export of the gas continued throughout the 1979-89 war, despite periodic sabotage orchestrated by the CIA and ISI.  

Bin Laden, La Verite Interdite' (Bin Laden, the Forbidden Truth).  corroborates Cooley's findings.

Something stinks..... and its the rat in the white house.  ;)
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2002, 02:21:12 PM »
Well my young idealistic simmer pals....welcome to the real world.

The President of the United States is soley responsible for protecting this countries citizens and it's interests, no matter what party they originate from.

Bush will do what he feels will best serve the United States and it's interests....which is exactly what he should do. If the means by which he accomplishes this are covert or overt, simply do not matter.

We did not elect him to maintain the status quo. Someone barked about oil company profits...figure it out. We need oil to defend ourselves and for our country to survive. Would some of you feel better to be castrated and suck the hind tits of countries who advocate our destruction?

He is serving his country in a way that most of you do not even understand.

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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2002, 02:42:40 PM »
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Thats a pretty simplistic view of the allegations the book makes isn't it?


No... its VERY simplistic.. and accurate.

Why should the U.S. have a presence in the Middle East?  All I need to see is one reason.  To maintain peace?  Good Will?  What?

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2002, 02:50:29 PM »
The authors are playing fast and loose with the facts, just an example:
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US National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice was, between 1991 and 2000, manager for Chevron


Condoleeza Rice was the Provost of Stanford University during that time period.

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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2002, 02:56:12 PM »
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No... its VERY simplistic.. and accurate.

Why should the U.S. have a presence in the Middle East?  All I need to see is one reason.  To maintain peace?  Good Will?  What?

AKDejaVu


Man you shrub supporters are adept at the old *side step shuffle*, let me make it clearer for you:

 Bush stymied the intelligence agency's investigations on terrorism, even as it bargained with the Taliban on handing over of Osama bin Laden in exchange for political recognition and economic aid. "The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests, and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it," O'Neill reportedly told the authors.

Granted theres no way to question the former head of the FBI since he died in the WTC attack, so our only option to find the truth now rests on a government that is thumbing its nose at a law passed by Congress to thwart presidential abuse of power.

It sounds to me like you support negotiating with terrorists for the petroleum industries gain...at the expense of the folks in our armed forces.

Like I said something stinks.

Since when was he elected rude?

IIRC he was handed the presidency by the supreme court.

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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2002, 02:59:52 PM »
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The authors are playing fast and loose with the facts, just an example:


Condoleeza Rice was the Provost of Stanford University during that time period.


From her home page midnight Target:

Condoleezza Rice is the Thomas and Barbara Stephenson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. She previously served as a Hoover senior fellow from 1991 until 1993, when she was appointed provost of Stanford University. Rice held the position of provost for six years, during which time she served as the chief academic and budget officer of the university, before stepping down on July 1, 1999. She is on a one-year leave of absence from the university.

Rice first came to Stanford in 1981 as a fellow in the arms control and disarmament program. She is a tenured professor in the university's political science department and was a Hoover Institution national fellow from 1985 until 1986.

Following her initial Hoover Institution affiliation, Rice went to Washington, D.C. to work on nuclear strategic planning at the Joint Chiefs of Staff as part of a Council on Foreign Relations fellowship. She came back to Stanford when the fellowship ended.

Rice returned to Washington in 1989 when she was director of Soviet and East European affairs with the National Security Council. She also was appointed special assistant to the president for national security affairs and senior director for Soviet affairs at the National Security Council under President George Bush. In those roles, she helped bring democratic reforms to Poland, and played a vital role in crafting many of the Bush administration's policies with the former Soviet Union.

Rice's professional activities since returning to Stanford have not been limited to the university. She cofounded the Center for a New Generation, an after-school academy in East Palo Alto, California, and is a corporate board member for Chevron, the Hewlett Foundation, and Charles Schwab. In addition, Rice is a member of J.P. Morgan's international advisory council.

Rice is a Council of Foreign Relations member, a National Endowment for the Humanities trustee, and a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.

She has written numerous articles and several books on international relations and foreign affairs, including Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft, with Philip Zelikow (Harvard University Press, 1995).

Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a bachelor's degree in political science (cum laude). She earned a master's degree at the University of Notre Dame and a doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in political science.

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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2002, 03:03:09 PM »
Weazel, respond please; was Clinton, or any other past president, any less involved in covert operations involving our foreign interests, in particular where oil is concerned?

You lose big here. You may not like Bush, and you may be right to hate him, but this isn't the smoking gun you seek.

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2002, 03:16:30 PM »
Why thank you for clearing that up Weazel - So what exactly is accurate about calling her a "manager" of Chevron?

Like I said, fast and loose.

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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2002, 03:20:55 PM »
Tahgut do you see now why I think of you as a liberal and weazel as a leftist?

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Try to look past any past partisan comments by me...
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2002, 03:21:31 PM »
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Weazel, respond please; was Clinton, or any other past president, any less involved in covert operations involving our foreign interests, in particular where oil is concerned?

You lose big here. You may not like Bush, and you may be right to hate him, but this isn't the smoking gun you seek.


I'm sure they were Kieren, my squeak here is USING the US Armed Forces for financial gain for himself and his cronies, as far as the "smoking gun" comment goes I think time will prove me right on my assesment of shrubs intentions and his lack of ethics and moral character.

It appears to me he's just making sure one of daddys 1993 projects sees fruition.

I haven't lost anything, except respect for the clowns in Washington....and that means dems and reps both.

Our servicemen aren't supposed to be used to further a corporations greed.

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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2002, 03:29:34 PM »
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Why thank you for clearing that up Weazel - So what exactly is accurate about calling her a "manager" of Chevron?

Like I said, fast and loose.


Gee, what exactly do corporate board members do? Why confuse the issue with semantics.

Groinhurtz, when you finally shed your balkan ignorance I'll take into consideration your opinion of me, until then when I want one from you I'll pull the ring on your back.

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