Check this out...

[Udie at Work]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&u=/nm/20020201/pl_nm/attack_albright_dc_1



 what a potato...


"When we left office, we left the potential of a verifiable agreement to stop the export of missile technology abroad on the table. I think it's a mistake to walk away from that. We know that North Korea is dangerous but lumping those three countries together is dangerous," [/i]

(I know I know I just copy/pasted copyrighted material which I don't like doing but this paragraph pissed me off!!!!)


 No you didn't lady!  You let the north koreans spend aid money for starving people on their military, allowing them to build the weapons of mass destruction President Bush is refering too!!!!!!:mad:

[midnight Target]

No you didn't lady! You let the north koreans spend aid money for starving people on their military, allowing them to build the weapons of mass destruction President Bush is refering too!!!!!!

Udie, this is news to me. Do you have more info about this.

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by midnight Target
No you didn't lady! You let the north koreans spend aid money for starving people on their military, allowing them to build the weapons of mass destruction President Bush is refering too!!!!!!

Udie, this is news to me. Do you have more info about this.

 Well, to be honest, no I don't.  That paragraph is kind of a typical udie knee-jerk.  I'm going off memory of stuff I heard in the 90's from various talk radio and news shows.   If I have time today at work I'll try and search for some, though it may have to wait until I go home or until tomorrow.  Toad's pretty good at lookin stuff up maybe he can help me out

[Eagler]

they are the Axis of Evil

she didn't impress me then and she doesn't now

[midnight Target]

24 December 1998

TEXT: PRESIDENT AUTHORIZES $12 MILLION ASSISTANCE TO KEDO
(Says it is important to the security interests of the US) (240)



Washington -- President Clinton has determined that it is important to
the security interests of the United States to furnish up to $12
million in funds for assistance for the Korean Peninsula Development
Organization (KEDO) and has authorized the Secretary of State to take
steps to furnish this assistance.


Following is the White House text:



(begin text)



THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary

December 24, 1998



Presidential Determination

No.



MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE



SUBJECT: Use of $12 Million in Economic Support Funds for a U.S.
Contribution to the Korean Peninsula Development Organization (KEDO)


Pursuant to the authority vested in me by section 614(a)(1) of the
Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended, 22 U.S.C. 2364(a)(1)(the
"Act"), I hereby determine that it is important to the security
interests of the United States to furnish up to $12 million in funds
made available under Chapter 4 of Part II of the Act for assistance
for KEDO without regard to any provision of law within the scope of
section 614(a)(1). I hereby authorize furnishing of this assistance.


You are hereby authorized and directed to transmit this determination
to the Congress and to arrange for its publication in the Federal
Register.


WILLIAM J. CLINTON

KEDO


Sounds like someone was stretching the truth again....propabaly Rush:D

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by midnight Target

Sounds like someone was stretching the truth again....propabaly Rush:D

 I found something

http://policy.house.gov/news/releases/2000/0411nkcg.htm

News From . . .

The House Policy Committee

Christopher Cox, Chairman

Policy Committee Reviews Clinton-Gore North Korea Aid
Evidence Shows False Premise for Appeasement
PDF Format with Chart Showing Increased Aid and Increased Missile Range

North Korea Advisory Group

WASHINGTON (Tuesday, April 11, 2000)—The House Policy Committee will examine ways to put an end to the Clinton-Gore aid to Kim Jong Il’s Stalinist North Korean dictatorship. That aid is being used to feed Kim Jong Il’s million-man army, to provide fuel oil for North Korean military industries, and to build light water nuclear reactors that will provide plutonium for nuclear weapons.

Two top nuclear scientists will discuss the dangers posed by Clinton-Gore financed light water nuclear reactors during a briefing at the Committee’s weekly executive session at noon, Wednesday, April 12 in the Capitol.

The U.S.-supplied light water reactors will produce plutonium sufficient to arm 65 nuclear warheads each year. These warheads would pose an increased threat because they could be mounted on long-range North Korean ICBMs developed while the Clinton-Gore administration gave foreign aid to North Korea.

The two nuclear scientists who will brief the Policy Committee, Dr. William R. Graham and Dr. Victor Gilinsky, are expected to tell the House Leaders that while the facilities North Korea was building on its own would have produced enough nuclear weapons-grade material for about a dozen bombs a year, the plutonium produced by the new light water nuclear reactors U.S. taxpayers are financing can be reprocessed to arm 65 bombs a year—more than five times as many.

"Of course, the politically correct Clinton-Gore administration would never finance the construction of nuclear power plants for taxpayers in the United States," said House Policy Chairman Christopher Cox. "If North Korea needs electricity, and if U.S. taxpayers must pay for it (a dubious proposition in all events), then a decision could have been made to supply hydroelectric power or any other means of generation that does not increase security risks. Yet when Vice Foreign Minister Kang Suk-Ju proposed on July 15, 1993 that America subsidize North Korea’s light water nuclear reactors, the Clinton-Gore administration said yes. American taxpayers have been paying for these nuclear time bombs ever since."

Background

Until the Clinton-Gore administration, U.S. policy stood firm against the self-appointed Communist gods Kim Il-Sung and his son, Kim Jong Il. To the very last day of the Bush administration, North Korea received no U.S. aid, subsidies, or trade. Thus, Clinton’s initiation of U.S. taxpayer subsidies for North Korea, and his plan to completely normalize relations with this bizarre and dangerous Communist country, is a radical break with longstanding American policy.

Today, even as North Korea poses one of the greatest threats to American and allied interests anywhere around the globe, the Clinton-Gore administration has made Kim Jong Il’s dictatorship the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid in the Asia-Pacific region. This astonishing policy reversal has made taxpayers in the United States one of the principal financiers of the Stalinist regime’s survival.

North Korea is not simply a dictatorship: it is a uniquely monstrous tyranny that has tormented the Korean people for half a century, that continues to starve men, women, and children through man-made famine, and that has created the most completely totalitarian and militarized state in human history. Nor is it merely a theoretical threat to America. Kim Jong Il’s million-man army, which considers itself formally at war with the United States, is building long-range missiles that will enable it to subject American territory to nuclear, biological, and chemical blackmail.

In 1998, without warning, North Korea fired a nuclear-capable ballistic missile 850 miles directly over Japan. This surprise missile launch recklessly jeopardized the safety of the people of Japan. As a result of this stunning action, the world was alerted to a long-range missile capability that few people before then believed North Korea possessed. Since then, Japan—also with U.S. taxpayer support—has been scrambling to deploy a missile defense to protect its citizens and 40,000 American troops from the rapidly escalating North Korean threat.

On December 8, 1998, after four years of Clinton-Gore directed U.S. foreign aid, North Korean Defense Ministry officials rewarded American taxpayers by publicly announcing they were "ready to annihilate U.S. imperialists," and said they would "plunge the damned U.S. territory into a sea of flame." (This amazing threat is at http://policy.house.gov/nk/threattext.htm.)

North Korea is a virulent proliferator of dangerous weapons: it has sold crucial technology to Iran for the Shahab missile that now threatens U.S. forces across the Middle East, and to Pakistan for the Ghauri missile that in 1998 disrupted the fragile stability of South Asia. Tellingly, North Korea’s missile proliferation has dramatically accelerated since the Clinton-Gore administration began giving the regime U.S. taxpayer support in 1994. There were no known No-dong missile sales abroad until after the United States signed the so-called Agreed Framework with North Korea.

When American negotiators first sought to restrain North Korea from new missile sales, North Korea boldly used the opportunity to demand $1 billion annually. Worse yet, the Clinton-Gore administration agreed to give in to North Korea’s extortionate demands by paying $60 million, claiming this had "no link" to missiles. When North Korea was asked to reveal a suspected underground nuclear site in the mountains of Kumchang-ri—one of many sites that is required to be open to inspection under the terms of its 1992 denuclearization agreement with South Korea—North Korea once again demanded, and received from the Clinton-Gore administration, “compensation” from American taxpayers for fulfilling an existing legal obligation.

Kim Jong Il’s callous disregard for American—and world—opinion, and his regime’s apparent disdain for the Clinton-Gore administration’s policy of nurturing ties with the failing Communist state, do not stop there. North Korea notoriously engages in counterfeiting U.S. currency, and sells illegal drugs as a matter of national policy. Kim Jong Il is apparently not shamed by the capture of his diplomats and agents who have been caught red-handed in these criminal activities.

The Clinton-Gore administration, in its sad adherence to this dangerously failed policy of appeasement-for-abuse, at least deserves credit for consistency. It has met every one of North Korea’s violations of its international agreements with an apology and a rationalization. The purpose of Wednesday’s meeting is to seek ways to end this craven policy, and to make protecting U.S. national security the goal once again.

# # #
 
The Policy Committee is the policy-making arm of the House Majority.  It is comprised of the House Leadership (the Speaker, the Majority Leader, the Majority Whip, the Conference Chairman, the Policy Chairman, the Conference Vice Chairman, the Conference Secretary, the NRCC Chairman, and the elected leaders of the Junior, Sophomore, and Freshman classes), the chairmen of key standing committees of the House, and Members elected by region and seniority.  The Committee meets weekly to consider legislation and issues of national importance.

 this is from the governement so I quoted it
 



 Ok this came from the Republican side I believe so I'll go look for a more "nuetral" article....



 another link, doesn't actually prove my case though but it's interesting none the less...

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9708/12/us.north.korea/



and more.....

http://www.nautilus.org/library/security/gaoreports/NSIAD0035.pdf

this one is in pdf format....

October 8, 1999
The Honorable Benjamin A. Gilman
Chairman, Committee on International Relations
House of Representatives
Dear Mr. Chairman:
The United States is one of the largest donors of emergency food to North
Korea, with cumulative donations since 1995 valued at about $365 million.
Most U.S. food aid is channeled through the United Nation’s World Food
Program and as of June 1999 accounted for approximately 88 percent of the
World Food Program’s distributions to North Korea. According to the
Department of State and the World Food Program, food aid is being
provided for humanitarian purposes and is intended to be distributed
primarily to children, women, and the elderly at schools, hospitals, and
other institutions. The Department of State also believes that food
donations may improve the climate of the bilateral relationship with North
Korea on a host of issues, including concerns about North Korea’s
development of nuclear weapons and the maintenance of peace on the
Korean peninsula. Concerned about whether the World Food Program can
adequately account for U.S. government-donated food aid to North Korea
and prevent possible diversions of food aid to the military and ruling elite...

 So in conclusion I think my calling her a potato and yelling at her in that knee jerk paragraph was and is justified, not that you challenged me or anything.......

[SirLoin]

..Look like some people need to watch the footage of the WTC collapse again..How quickly we forget to suit political agendas..

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by SirLoin
..Look like some people need to watch the footage of the WTC collapse again..How quickly we forget to suit political agendas..

 Are you talking to me or Tahgut?  Forget what?  Suit who's political agenda?

[SirLoin]

Sorry,should have been more specific..I was referring to Madame Albright(that's quite an oxymoron for a last name)..BTW,I want your job Udie..

[fd ski]

Now in purely cynical fashion....

Israel, France, UK and something like 10 other countries have weapons of mass destruction. Are they terrorists as well ?

Let's bomb Uk, maybe we can nail that damn liberal bastard Dowding !!!

Just an FYI, pakistan has nukes, and it is "this" close to second taliban regieme...

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by fd ski
Now in purely cynical fashion....

Israel, France, UK and something like 10 other countries have weapons of mass destruction. Are they terrorists as well ?

Let's bomb Uk, maybe we can nail that damn liberal bastard Dowding !!!

Just an FYI, pakistan has nukes, and it is "this" close to second taliban regieme...

 True!

BUT! None of those countries is DPRK. Pakistan scares me , but the General (that's a jab at Bush) seems to be helping us as much as he can, I'm sure that we are putting supreme pressure on him, the fact remains that they have helped us emensly in the war.

 I'd be willing to bet that the good ole USA help UK, Isreal and France build their nukes, they've always been allies to us so we don't worry about them.  I would be very supprised if any of those 3 ever nuke the US

 As for the other 10, I've worried about them since we won the cold war.  Back then, at the age of 20 or 21, I remember thinking "great now instead of 2 nations with the power to destroy the world we now have a dozen"  This was before I learned that some of our allies had them too, always thought those were ours that we just parked on thier soil for NATO.


ya commie bastidge!

[midnight Target]

Well Udie, close but not quite. Posting 2 very biased sources does nothing except prove that there is room for speculation. Heres a fun fact about Condoleeza Rice though:

Rice's new career was shaped by her professor of international relations, Josef Korbel, a former Czech diplomat, refugee from communism and the father of Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. And, like the outgoing secretary of State, Rice's area of specialization has long been eastern and central Europe--the Soviet bloc of the Cold War.

[Udie]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Well Udie, close but not quite. Posting 2 very biased sources does nothing except prove that there is room for speculation. Heres a fun fact about Condoleeza Rice though:

 I have company right now, those sources were from a 15 min search at lunch  I'll look into it more.  I admit that it may indeed be right wing speculation, but I also think it's based on truth.