been feeling

[easymo]

 chilly lately. Havent been flamed for awile  So here goes.

 I went back in, awile back, to try out 1.05. The two least attrctive aspects of the game had gotten worse. AI, and gang banging.

 My last sorti, I attacked one of the big boats, with 5 guys on it. After I killed one, the other 4 ran, yes ran, for the CV. (keep in mind I was by myself). When they saw that I wasnt going to let the ack kill me, and was going the other way. They all came togeather after me. The ack got me anyway.

 So. I suggest this. #1. NO AI. If I wanted to fight computers, id buy a boxed sim. No gun should work if it is not manned. And the ONE .50 cal on a bomber should be no stronger than the .50 cal on a P51. Ground guns should be no stronger then they were in RL.

 #2. The guys over at VW2OL (Vapor Ware 2 On Line) have a good idea about the gang banging. No points should be awarded for squad missions. If People want the camraderie of flying with a squad. Fine. That should be enough. Gang banging is all that it amounts too anyway. For example. Take the old HA in WB. Of course they dont want icons. They dont want that poor newbi to know, he is about to get jumped by 5 guys.

[Dago]

I dont understand too well your concerns.
Eliminate AI?  Then the Ships would be practically defenseless, unless you could get a whole lot of players to sit for long periods of time manning the guns. (all guns, not just a few 5" guns) That wont happen. What you would end up with are ships that could and would be killed by one plane attacks routinely.

Gangbanging - What you seem not to like are missions.  Many players think missions are the best feature and most fun in this game.
Personally, I respect groups of players who work together to overwhelm and capture a field.  Even when it means my country loses fields and I get killed.  Dont give them points??  You want to punish them for playing well?  For working together?  I dont agree.

I hate to say this, but it seems you object to anything that kills you or keeps things from going your way.  In offline you may find what you are looking for, but in the online, it is a competition, it is a war.  Its kill and be killed. Without the risk, without the fight, it would get boring quick.

Just my thougths,
Dago

[easymo]

 Dago. With due respect. All the talk of strat, and mission, sound like BS to me. If ya'all meant it, you would man the guns on the bombers, and the boats. With all the talk of realism, the fact that there was no AI in 1944 doesn't seem to bother you a bit.

[Dago]

Actually, I do man boat guns, often. I think its a blast.  And when in a bomber, I often ask a squaddie to gun for me, and I will gun for them when they ask.

You are right, in 1944 there wasn't AI.  But in 1944 there was a very large pool of men that could be required to man guns. Note, I said "large pool" and "required".  We dont have either of these options in AH.  Not many will man guns for ships or planes that arent right in the heart of a battle, nor can anyone be required to do it. In lieu of these limitations, we have to have computer manned guns.

I would love to see all guns manned by real players, but I am convinced it is not realistic to expect it.  Right now it is hard enough to fly a buff without a gunner. buffs dont have AI, and on a bombing run they are sitting ducks.  The pilot either becomes his own gunner, or he bombs.

Again, I will state that I think removing the auto gunners from the ships would be a bad move.  It would make the ships too vulnerable.

humbly,
Dago

[Tac]

I believe that the AAA (not the 88mm flak) should be lowered a bit in damage (single ping kills.. sheesh) and halfway in range


I dont know zilch about guns, but I find it hard to believe a bullet will go up to 10k and still have kinetic energy to burst my plane apart. Heck, the bullets on FIGHTERS dont do zilch at d1.7 .

If the AAA (not 88mm FLAK) were to have a range of up to 4k that would be the best thing imho. For both fields and fleets.

I dont want to hit the buff gun topic here, they ARE unholy and should be fixed. Heck, I would give the buff turrets the same firing AI as the field guns and let the bomber/gunner man one of those guns (and when he mans that gun, it will be only THEN that the gun will lose ammo).

[funked]

Easymo I hate AI.

But this is a team sport.  If you don't enjoy being part of a team, and want one-on-one action, go fly on the Ladder.

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[PakRat]

Point #1 - Unfortunately few would man guns. Eliminating the defensive AI would be not unlike the situation we have now with guys abandoning any strategic issues so they can go rack up kills on the main island instead of protecting the strat targets we have now.

Too few understand the strat element and send the CVs right into harm's way as it is and they get killed. Keep the AI. I do think that gun positions should be killable though.

Point #2 - No points for squad missions to avoid gang-banging? I guess nobody is responsible for flying into those situations are they? It's always the other guy's fault for killing me. Or it was a bug or "overmodelled" this or that gun, vultching, etc. The list of excuses is endless. I am so tired of you whiners putting blame everywhere but where it belongs that it is starting to take the fun out of this sim (again).

If you don't want to be ganged, don't fly alone. Don't fly into nests of enemy. Use some SA and maybe, just maybe, take  launch from a more rear and safe field.

When you get killed it is your fault. We all fly the same FE so are all subject to the same programming rules (save the very small number of hacked FEs that may occasionally show up).

I wish people would grow up and accept some responsibility. Then, instead of squeaking over channel 1 about how somebody didn't play fair, people might instead congratulate their opponent on a good kill. Or be quiet if it was a skilless kill because you screwed up. But for God's sake, quit the incessant whining.

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[PakRat]

And Tac - about the buff guns. I watched Sshh take out 6 Rook buffs single-handedly - and they were firing back at him. I didn't see if he was finally killed or made it back to base but he can do it.

There isn't anything wrong with all target-capable guns being slaved to the human gunner's. We don't have the massive box formations that provided the coverage needed. We have one, two, maybe three, people take up buffs on a run and if people would perform concerted attacks, the buffs don't stand a chance.

This is just the opposite of the gang-bang complaint. Get a few together to rip apart a lone enemy and it's a gang-bang. Have one buff shoot down an enemy pilot and it's laser-guided buff guns that need to be neutered.

Go figure.

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[easymo]

 Also on the AI thing. To avoid the vulchfest problem. I would suggest at least 3 base,s close together.(just far enough apart to not impact FR). The extra 2 would not need all the accessory,s. Just runways.

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[airspro]

What funked said .  

Now about squads , wounldn't be here flying this if it wasn't for my buds , they are and mean more to me than my real brother . Why should I not get points for flying with them ? But who loving cares all that much about points anyway  

cheers spro

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