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Offline Otto

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2002, 07:40:26 PM »
The basics of ACM can be sumed up thus:

"If you find yourself in a fair fight you didn't plan it very well"

Remember that......
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2002, 08:37:34 PM »
Thankfully that's not how the real guys in WWII defined it.  Advantage or not, they stuck their nose in there.

P.S.  I just watched Pearl Harbour again, where a couple of pilots...as in two...managed to get off the ground and took on about 100 Japs.  Guys like this would find the thought that you only attack with the advantage ludicrous...if not gutless.

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Offline eddiek

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2002, 08:40:52 PM »
Amen, Otto!

ACM, my version:  Get your guns on the enemy before he can so the same to you.  Anything goes.  If you end up in a HO situation, don't whine.  Win it, lose it, you let the other guy get his guns around on ya, your fault, not his.  Fly your planes strengths, not your opponents, to hell with what he thinks or says.

Sermon over.........
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2002, 09:12:25 PM »
They didnt have icons bowser ;)
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Offline Otto

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2002, 11:43:45 PM »
Bowser, I would skip 'Pearl Harbor' and go back to 'Tora, Tora, Tora'  A far better film.
   It's been released on DVD and I got a copy at Circit City for $20.
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2002, 12:14:48 AM »
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Originally posted by Löwe

Stands for Air Combat Manuver, except in my case it stands for
"AHHH Can't manuver":D


[Foghorn Leghorn] That was a joke son, a joke [/Foghorn Leghorn]
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2002, 01:45:17 AM »
Oohhh MrHanky's 2nd post.... already get's the Bronze star of whining :D

That guy learns quick!

I'm with Kronos on this one, why would he have wanted to give it to you on a silver platter... when he was able to shove it up your... ?

No mercy, no pitty ! (sp?)
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2002, 02:38:37 AM »
Yeah, but Pearl Harbor was a crock of S**t wasn't it? I thought so.
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2002, 10:14:43 AM »
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Yeah, but Pearl Harbor was a crock of S**t wasn't it? I thought so.


Yep.

Like in the big dogfight scene.

"Let's play chicken!"

Ya got 5 Zero pilot's that are so "target fixated" they never see the HO merge coming.

It'd have been alot move believable to me to have seen the P-40s doing a "THACH WEAVE" to clear the Zeros off thier six's.

Then there's where Ben Affleck says "Let's take 'em to the deck!"

Draggin' the Zeros down between buildings, the Zeros are shootin' at but missin' the P-40s, the overshots are hittin' people on the ground...

I just wonder how long that woulda lasted before some ack gunner got pissed off at the P-40 pile-uts and started pingin' away at the Tomahawks to make 'em go away.
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Offline Mr Hanky

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2002, 02:40:53 PM »
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Oohhh MrHanky's 2nd post.... already get's the Bronze star of whining  

That guy learns quick!

I'm with Kronos on this one, why would he have wanted to give it to you on a silver platter... when he was able to shove it up your... ?

No mercy, no pitty ! (sp?)


I find it quite ironic that this thread was started because I called someone's fighting style "boring" on channel one in an arena.  You can argue validity, smartness or whatever.  You simply cannot argue that the fight style is not boring.

I then, after this initial post, am labled a whiner.

One thing that needs to be realized by anyone feeling the need to off-handedly defend the "one pass then extend" flight technic is just how much fun that is when there's only two of you fighting at the time.  If someone refuses to engage or give you any kind of oportunity in an engagement.. what is the point of engaging?  What do you do when he's the only other pilot flying at the time?

The answer is simple.. you log off.

Someone above said something that most of the rest of you are missing also...
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Thankfully that's not how the real guys in WWII defined it. Advantage or not, they stuck their nose in there.
In every fight, someone is at a disadvantage.  I don't know if the really inteligent thing to do is to commend that person for running away EVERY SINGLE TIME.  That would make for some pretty boring fights... er... no fights.
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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2002, 06:29:23 PM »
Yeah, Pearl Harbour was pretty bad, mostly due to the awful love story/dialogue.  Flying/battle scenes weren't bad if you ignore the historical inaccuracies.

Have seen Tora, Tora, Tora several times Otto...good flick.  

Actually I finally broke down and bought a good DVD player so I wanted to see a DVD that would give it a good work out.  Fast and the Furious gave it a good work out also.  :)

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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2002, 12:48:27 AM »
Hanky man , saw two posts from you, both whines/complaints. You want the other guy to play your ball... that ain't the way it works.

 Just ride the wave man!
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2002, 02:07:55 AM »
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Originally posted by Saintaw


No mercy, no pitty ! (sp?)


This is the subtlest demand to perk Spitfires I've ever read!  :D

Pepe
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2002, 02:12:23 AM »
shhhhhhht Pepe, I have other threads  about that ;)
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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2002, 07:37:04 AM »
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Hanky man , saw two posts from you, both whines/complaints. You want the other guy to play your ball... that ain't the way it works.
This was started by someone else that didn't like me saying "You have officially bored me to death."

Of course, that individual didn't post his reply here... it was all me.

I left the fight.  As I did, I said "You have officially bored me to death." I didn't continue on in the text buffer about it, nor did I come here to start whining about it.  My post here was a REPLY... not a complaint.  I hate it when someone tries to do some kind of self-justification with an "all things were equal" mistatement at the beginning.

As for the fight... I wasn't trying to get someone to fight my fight.  I understand why he did what he did.  I also understand that the only enemy flying at the time did not want to fight at all.

For some reason that escapes most.  Once again, if you are only supposed to engage with an advantage... who the hell are you supposed to engage?
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