Yet again un even teams forces many to stop flying

[Ripsnort]

Tac, think you were a Knight for what, 2 days..(maybe 1 week?) That's hardly enough time to judge a country...and depending on the time of day...its not always organized, no country is.

Our MAG-33 occasionally runs organized strikes, but we don't always do it, since time is limited for a few...

(Edit, if you were a Knight for longer than a  week, then you were not on the same time I was, because I see ALOT of knight cooperation, with 332nd, -115, -111, -323, and countless other squads that cooperate)

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[Ripsnort]

Also, take a look at which country is running the most OPS, in 9 out of 10 cases, they have the numbers..it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why... (numbers allows one to defend existing territory and go offensive at the same time...low numbers limits a country to defensive posture in most cases...except if Blitz is flying )  

[Mighty1]

# mean nothing!

I've been on and the side I was playing on that night outnumbered the other 2 sides combined and we were still getting our buts whooped!

We had too many in the A1 mode and no one wanted to get organized at all.

I eventually switched to the side that had the lowest # on and started taking bases.

I think it's more of WHO you have on instead of the # you have.

[Tac]

been knight since last december rip.

"We had too many in the A1 mode and no one wanted to get organized at all"

Seems to be a rather permanent thing imho.

"I think it's more of WHO you have on instead of the # you have"

Exactly. But its also a matter of the # of WHO's you have as well  

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[Ripsnort]

   

Originally posted by Tac:
been knight since last december rip.

Again, my edit from above post: "(Edit, if you were a Knight for longer than a week, then you were not on the same time I was, because I see ALOT of knight cooperation, with 332nd, -115, -111, -323, and countless other squads that cooperate)"

Tac, from what I witnessed the few times we've been online together, is that you may not have got alot of cooperation from Knights since alot of them don't know you...fly the same country for awhile, put some successful missions up, and its amazing how cooperative folks get.  Ask the Cave's ,Zigrat's, AKNimitz's about this...also, MAG-33 has never been denied their objective on mission night as of to date.




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[Ripsnort]

 

Tac: "(aka,when they won the first reset)"

And this even proves the will of the flyers for knights, we achieved that reset within 12 hours after being wedged into the corner with only 2 fields...we fought back hard, a two-front war, for that reset...sweeeeeet!  That's why I'll always fight for this country, its got some dang good people in it willing to cooperate.

[StSanta]

Knights also got loyal squads. Always fun to watch the squads do their thing and be in on a corner  .

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"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch

[Tac]

CC Rip, however, you are talking about squad level cooperation. That is completely different. I am talking about the country-wide cooperation. A call for a goon + jabos when a field is down was rarely answered in knitland (if it ever was).Specially when home island invaded and the field in question would have helped a lot in pushing the reds out. Big green bar at A1 though.

If I need to be the last soda in the desert (aka, popular/known)to get a goon when a field is nearly flat, there's a problem there. No bashing intended, but in rookland those goons do come and bring their jabos with them.. and they are not squaddies or RW wingmen or the likes. They just know its better to take a flat field than furball uselessly for an hour over a field that is likely to take a miracle (or one of Zig's missions) to take.

Edited: I was there on the 1st reset as a Knight Rip, we had twice the numbers that evening as well as squads which had many members online & flying. It was a fun night  

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[Ripsnort]

 

Edited: I was there on the 1st reset as a Knight Rip, we had twice the numbers that evening as well as squads which had many members online & flying. It was a fun night..

Ah, yes, but you were NOT there 12 hours earlier when we were outnumbered 2 to 1, and had 2 fields, that's where the real fun was, battling out of that hole!  we had guys calling for every knit to go to another country for a reset, I said "Hell No! Battle your way out of this mess!"...then we proceeded to take the first 5 fields that eventually led to your reset (when the 1st shift had retired)



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[prz]

sometimes knits are up, sometimes knits are down. When started flying over year ago, knits were always minority and that's why I joined. In the meantime, we were up for a while, I guess the tide's turning again.

Doesn't matter, spent 1/2 hour yesterday first getting kids of the channel talking filthy, then spent 2 1/2 hours bus-driving B26s to 18 and 17 keeping hengers down so the rot won't take over 16 (like couple other better players, e.g. mt74). Then jumped osti & spit when rot was vulching 11 (mitsu & company were the chogers/am6 vulching crew ;l-). BTW, sshh, you're an amazing low-fur, bare knives fighter! So my point being, well, it's also part of the game. Makes for a change.

Wegaman, stop whining, hurl your a.. over, jump ostis, bus-drive, keep infrastructure up, try organize stuff and learn how to mount defense up. Your score for this tour will suck but you'll be a better player overall.

[Purzel]

Hi!

Well, the Devil Dogs came just from the rooks , partly to see if there may be more teamwork in other  countries. Now I cant tell if it is the same situation with Bishland, but I personally think one shouldnt change because there is more teamwork in one country than in another. In every country there is some great teamwork to be seen every now and then, and the opposite happens just as frequently.



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Purzel

VMF 111 =Devil Dogs=

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[Kieren]

 

If I need to be the last soda in the desert (aka, popular/known)to get a goon when a field is nearly flat, there's a problem there. No bashing intended, but in rookland those goons do come and bring their jabos with them.. and they are not squaddies or RW wingmen or the likes. They just know its better to take a flat field than furball uselessly for an hour over a field that is likely to take a miracle (or one of Zig's missions) to take.

Not if you never intended to take the field in the first place, you have only an hour to play, and owning doesn't fill you with a warm, fuzzy feeling.

Play whatever side you wish. The lack of cooperation you noted in Knightland is there, but you made it worse by berating players as "dumb" and "not playing right". I was involved in one of your attempts to take a base, flew the goon myself and took the capture with much help from above, but even that wasn't good enough for you. You had to tell us all how stupid we were for not doing it the way you said. The teamwork was there, you didn't see it. After listening to you I made a couple decisions:

• No more missions with Tac.
• No more listening to generals.

I had taken some of my limited time to be a team player because it suited me to do so. I (and many others involved) were thanked with a browbeating. Needless to say I don't have time for that. I wonder how many others felt that way.  

[Ripsnort]

I was trying the sutle(sp) approach, Kieren.  

[SpitLead]

Having the teams balanced all the time is as unrealistic as zero (0) unemployment. It will NEVER happen.  Between new members joining ranks and others leaving, and the different times of day people choose to play will affect this.  Some days the Rooks are outnumbered and others were not.  I've not found any MAJOR imbalances over the last month of flying. I hate being in furballs being outnumbered 4 to 1 so I just avoid that scenario if I feel like it.  Other times I've got my back up and I'll defend a field mindlessly just to NOT let them take it, even being badly outnumbered.  Sometimes you just gotta pick your fights to not be heavily outnumbered, go find a lone fighter to go H2H with, bomb some strategic targets behind enemy lines, or decide on point defense of a key position (if you're willing to take some lumps).  There's lots of options besides quitting AH not the least of which is switching sides.      

[Kieren]

hehe, Rip.  

Sometimes you just have to lay the cards on the table. I honestly don't wish ill of anyone, and I hope that the new home will be more to his liking. I don't think things will be any different if the browbeating continues, but that is my opinion. There just might be enough insecure Rooks that need to be told what to think and how to act. (j/k)

What I do think is totally unrealistic is for anyone to think that people will fall at your feet any time you ask for something, or that people will always feel your mission or goal is superior to theirs. Let's face it, you announce a mission, people join or don't. You call for help, people do or don't. The world won't end either way.