Here's the next Friday TOD!

[Raubvogel]

We have flown Axis every TOD so far. We'd like to do some slumming this time and fly Allied

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
We have flown Axis every TOD so far. We'd like to do some slumming this time and fly Allied

Flying Axis is tough, the bombers don't have the self-protection that Allied bombers have...I could go on and on, but its alot tougher to fly Axis either as Germans or Japanese,than it is Allied.  My 2 cents.

[Kratzer]

I ain't bitin' that worm.

[Fatty]

We want to be able to scream saki! and wasabi! over roger wilco, please.

[Nifty]

why do you wanna scream my cat's name (wasabi) over Roger Wilco?  

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Nifty
sancho and ammo, can you guys find a definitive answer on the D30's delivery to the Pacific (specifically the 49th Fighter Group)?  Oct 1944 was when the D30 entered service, but that might have been Europe only.  I know I read that some P38 squads in the PTO weren't getting fresh rides because they were mostly being sent to the ETO squads (read this somewhere).  I don't know if this was the case with the P47s, but it seemed to be the case with the P38 and P51 as well.  I wouldn't be so "demanding" on this if it wasn't for the fact that the D30 carries an insane amount of ordnance compared to the D11 (and somewhat compared to the D25).

Dunno if any P47 books will be in the bookstores here, but I'll check this afternoon, as I'm going there anyways.    I'll get back to you guys this evening on what P47 we'll have.

Get back with you soon.

[Blue Mako]

Originally posted by Nifty
why do you wanna scream my cat's name (wasabi) over Roger Wilco?  

LOL that is just too funny.

[Nifty]

Originally posted by -ammo-


Get back with you soon.

Thanks bro.  No definitive answer on the model that I could find in the store today.  Razorbacks were used in the pacific starting in 1943 was about the best I could get.  Oh, and a reference for 45 for the D30 being delivered to a Mexican squad, but that's it for model references.  Two 47s came into Tacloban in Nov 44 from Morotai, and got shot at by the AA, but no mention of the models.  What I wouldn't have given for a PICTURE of those two Jugs in the book, or at least a mention of the canopy.  

[FortyDog]

Since MAW is the new guys on the block, put us where you need us.

40Dog
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[weazel]

The 49th Fighter Group were flying P-47s during 1943-1944 in the Pacific.


49th Pursuit Group, 15 Jan. 1941.  
(in May 1942, Fighter; later, Fighter-Bomber)

Stations:
Selfridge Field, Michigan, 15 Jan. 1941;

Morrison Field, Florida, 22 May 1941 - 4 Jan. 1942;

Melbourne, Australia, 2 Feb. 1942;

Darwin, Australia, 17 Mar. 1942;

Port Moresby, New Guinea, c. 10 Oct. 1942:

Dobodura, New Guinea, 6 Mar 1943;

Gusap, New Guinea, 16 Dec. 1943;

Hollandia, New Guinea, 16 May 1944;

Biak, 26 June 1944;

Tacloban, Leyte, 24 Oct. 1944;

San Jose, Mindoro, 30 Dec. 1944;

Lingayen, Luzon, 26 Feb. 1945;

Okinawa, 16 Aug. 1945;

Atsugi, Japan, 15 Sept. 1945.

 

Aircraft:
P-35, 1941;

P-40, 1941 - 1943;

P-47, 1943 - 1944;

P-38, 1943, 1944 - 1946.

 

Operations:
Combat in Southwest Pacific, 18 Mar. 1942 - 5 Aug. 1945.

 

Campaigns:
(World War II)
East Indies;

Air Offensive, Japan;

China Defensive;

Papua;

New Guinea;

Bismarck Archipelago;

Western Pacific;

Leyte;

Luzon;

Southern Philippines;

China Offensive.

 

Decorations:
Distinguished Unit Citations:

Australia (18) Mar. - 25 Aug. 1942;

Papua, (c. 15 Oct.) 1942 - 23 Jan. 1943;

New Britain, 23 Oct. - 7 Nov. 1943;

Philippine Islands, 27 Oct. - 7 Dec. 1944.

2 Presidential Unit Citations

[Nifty]

now if only they told us what models of P47 they had when stationed at Tacloban in Oct 1944!    thx weazel.  

speaking of Tacloban, didja have a chance to add it in the terrain?

[Sandman]

Put the SBM down for Axis, please.

[Nifty]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Put the SBM down for Axis, please.

ya mean you want to shoot AT the pretty blue planes?  

[Sandman]

Certainly... we tend to fly Allied all the time, except for that last TOD. Unfortunately, none of us are remotely familiar with LuftWabble aircraft.

[Sancho]

I know titi about the 49th FG... nothing.  All I can do is give you a picture of what jugs were in theatre in October '44 based on the information from Warren Bodie's P-47 book.  Short version:

Of the options available, I believe the jug we need for this scenario is the -25.


The P-47D-30 began production at Farmingdale, NY in September of 1944--when exactly I don't know.  But, by 20 September '44, the 10,000th P-47 made rolled of the lines, P-47D-30-RE 44-20441, #133 of 800 in that block.  Republic's Evanston plant followed with the P-47D-30-RA and the production run of 1800 airframes--the largest block of P-47s--ran for six months.  This is why you see new -30s coming into service well into 1945.

However, it is unlikely that any of the -30s would have made it out to the PTO by October '44 if the plants were just getting started making them in September '44.  Unfortunately, I don't have any conclusive evidence of this, but it seems logical that transport times to the PTO would have been much longer to the PTO than ETO.

What models were in use in the PTO?  Razorbacks and bubbletops all the way up to the P-47D-28.  The -28 was in production in July '44 and I have a picture of a 348th FG -28 in October '44.  Any razorbacks in theatre would have been -15 or later models with wing pylons for bombs or drop tanks, or earlier models with upgraded wings including pylons and fuel lines.  Almost all the pictures of razorback jugs from PTO that I've seen (other than early 348th FG pics) have wing pylons.

Quite simply, the P-47D-11 of Aces High doesn't have the range or ordinance lifting capability for this stage of the war.  The P-47D-30 is has 2600HP @ WEP and dive flaps, making it significantly different from earlier bubbletops.  The P-47D-25, while probably not used in the PTO extensively (it was a small block for which the ETO had priority due to D-Day invasion), is a close match for the -26, -27, and -28 aircraft that were operating in the PTO, and has wing pylons like most of the razorbacks that were still operating in late '44.