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Offline Dnil

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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2002, 03:56:39 PM »
Russian,

Whats this about rank to be aircrew?  The enlisted radar techs in the back of the AWACS are E-2s if they sign up straight with no college.  If ya pick an aircrew job and finish the tech school, anyone can be aircrew.  Oh and finish the survival school. :)

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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2002, 04:37:24 PM »
When selecting crewman for aircraft, rank will make difference, A1C Vs Msgt. Guess who will win? Survival school is tough, (those poor rabbits) :(

http://www.af.mil
many useful links
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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2002, 06:07:00 PM »
http://www.airforce.com/index_fr.htm

BigCrate,just happened to have the AF address handy.
Been trying to convince my youngest (21yrs) this is the smart move.

Good luck

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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2002, 06:15:35 PM »
select crewman?  Its your job to fly if you pick it when you sign up.  Its not the groundcrewman turned aircrew, you sign up as aircrew.  Trust me its what I did.  I know of some groundcrew guys on the RC stuff but thats not the same.  I mean air comm and radar tech stuff.  If your an AB and ya finish your training your going flying.  Only time rank is a factor is when ya dont wanna fly.  Look into it, most dont know about it.  Also rank can be a factor for special ops stuff overseas, HC130 stuff, guess now they are all MC130s.  Rivet Rider national guard stuff outa pennsylvania is waaaaay cool stuff. :)

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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2002, 07:16:16 PM »
Hell I just want to figure out the diddly I want to do with my life..
And i don't want to lose some freedoms I have doing it. (working my bronco, fishing, flying AH) But the pros out way the cons.. So I'm at damn crossroads.. I want to this but I don't want to give this up. hhehehe its enough to drive someone insane :).. And if i joined up I would losing alot but I also would be gaining alot to.
So this might be my few weeks on AH (heheh I had a run of 2 months here :)

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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2002, 10:48:58 PM »
Big Crate, please consider what you're saying here. Between the lines you're saying you want to mature, but the military won't do that for you. They will feed you, dress you, cut your hair, teach you how to walk properly, how to eat, toejam, brush your teeth, fold your clothes, and how NOT to think for yourself. I can't believe all these former lifers are saying it taught them "maturity." Hell, half the NCOs that retire can't even make their own sandwich, let alone actually function in the REAL world. Most of them end up dead of smoking or booze related illnesses within a few years of their military retirement.
The military is a last resort for guys that are too ugly to get a girlfriend or too lazy to study in school.
I only went in because my draft lottery number was 36 and I was under the mistaken belief that only draftees went to Viet Nam. WRONG!! Had my number not been so low I would have never gone in.
I'm amazed any parent would encourage their child to go into the service ESPECIALLY given the world's current political climate. I guess some people can't deal with their kids so they don't give a rat's bellybutton WHERE they go as long as it is somewhere far away from them. Great parenting, huh??
Kratzer, quit crying yourself to sleep because you missed your opportunity to become a man via the service. If you want to get in shape join a gym. And the rest of you guys quit encouraging this kid to make a life altering decision, OK? He should be out on a stream somewhere with a fly rod in his hand and a 6 pack of Lone Star Beer in the saddlebags of his Bronco.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2002, 12:17:28 AM by Elfenwolf »

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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2002, 08:22:13 AM »
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
The military is a last resort for guys that are too ugly to get a girlfriend or too lazy to study in school....

I might be offended if this weren't so comically inaccurate.

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I'm amazed any parent would encourage their child to go into the service ESPECIALLY given the world's current political climate. I guess some people can't deal with their kids so they don't give a rat's bellybutton WHERE they go as long as it is somewhere far away from them. Great parenting, huh??

There's a lot of speculation here, which is too bad, because it just adds to the ad hominim arguments from the first quote.

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And the rest of you guys quit encouraging this kid to make a life altering decision, OK? He should be out on a stream somewhere with a fly rod in his hand and a 6 pack of Lone Star Beer in the saddlebags of his Bronco.

We wouldn't be encouraging this kid to make the decision if we didn't think that it was a good one. He asked for our opinions, and we gave them. You dissagree, and that's good. Because not everything is milk and honey in the military, and Crate needs to hear that. But your dissenting vioce might lose some of its effectiveness when you start ripping on people who had good experiences under different circumstances than you. Had I been in the army during Vietnam, I would probably have a Vastly different opinion than I do. I was never shot at, I learned a Valuble skill (Russian) and I had a lot of fun. I also got yelled at a lot. I got masted for poor use of judgement (which would have gone unpunished in the real world). I had some amazingly incompetent LT's, and every once in a while they had me convinced that I was a toejam bird.

If you want to take up the con here, explain what you didn't like about the service. There's really no need for you to go after those of us who don't see eye to eye with you.

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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2002, 09:23:14 AM »
I was on nuclear submarine fer 6 years. Lots of stress and hard work but I feel I got more from it then the Navy got from me.

You've got to come to terms with the reallity that nothing you do in life will be easy.

You can go out on your own get a job diggin ditches or food service or what ever and work your way through school. You could bust your arse in the military and if you go in with an attitude "I am gonna get the most out this as I can" you will learn alot. If you expect to shuffle around with your hands in your pockets gettin by for 4 years you wont be any better off then when ya entered.  The military has a lot to offer but it demands alot back.

You can start now while your young enough so that when you begin to age like the rest of us you can enjoy life.

6 months working at burger king may suck but imagine 20 years from now if thats the only thing you can do.

Anybody can skate through 4 years of the military. If you choose to go, go in ready to take advantage of all of it. When and if you get out you'll be much better off.

Or get your but in community college and get a job to pay for it.

AH is game puttin off life to play it aint a smart move.......

Good luck
« Last Edit: February 14, 2002, 09:25:24 AM by Wotan »

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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2002, 09:24:19 AM »
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I'm amazed any parent would encourage their child to go into the service ESPECIALLY given the world's current political climate.


 ESPECIALLY Considering where the world is going, having a trained soldier about your person at all times may be the biggest factor in survival. I would definitely encourage all my children to serve in the army - and not as sissy techies - that they can do all their lives after getting their PhD.s - but in real fighting specialities. Just like I did. It was hell but well worth it.
 Even in open militarty conflicts, being a soldier seems to be a safest thing nowdays compared to civilians.

 You have to pay for college education even though you can easily learn the same thing from books (med school excepted of course). But you are offered a military education for free and even get paid for it!

 miko
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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2002, 10:10:25 AM »
I'm not saying me playing AH is holding me back. From joining up
I'm was just listing examples of some of the things I would have to give up. To do this. And some other that I don't want to list.
Me thinking about joining up is scaring the hell outta me. Its not because of basic or going to war etc.. I gues it scares me because it is unknown. I have no idea what the hell it would be like if I joined up.. It may sound good on paper but after everything is said and done it might not be the greatest of ideas.
And that scares the hell outta me. Doing this is going to change my life but how i don't know.. One part of me wants to join.
And another part want wants to find a job bust my bellybutton thru school. On the weekends go wheelin with friends or go fishing.
And come back monday morning ready to do it all over again.
If I joined up I might lose those things and that scares me to.
I don't want to lose the life I have. Tell me what yall think of that.
Yall call me by my name please. I'm Cody and my bronco nickname is the Crate I just added big cause its diddlying big :)

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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2002, 10:25:37 AM »
If you're worried about losing the life you have, then you might want to stick around and go through the JC if you can. That's the one thing that I really regret about Joining the Navy, is that I was a "proxy-Friend" during my crew's salad days. I was lucky enough to get a second childhood when I went to college, but I was very sad watching my friends party while I was away. When I got out however, it was as if I hadn't left. We just picked things up where we left off (so much for maturing lol).
Consider this however, of my friends who went to the Junior College when I Joined the Navy, non of them graduated, or went on to the University. The only other guy who made it only did so after a 2 year stint in the Army as a Cav Scout. This is just anecdotal evidence, so don't assign too much importance to it, however I'm convinced that I wouldn'thave made it through either. Instead, I graduated in the top 5% of my class. Was it the Service? Im my opinion it was, because compared to the Defense Language Institute, College was easy.  Anyhow, more food for thought lol

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« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2002, 10:34:08 AM »
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The military is a last resort for guys that are too ugly to get a girlfriend or too lazy to study in school.


BigCrate; ignore this idiot.

The Air Force has changed a great deal in the time since he claims to have been in. Once your training is complete you'll have a lot of free time. Depending on your apptitude and what jobs are available you may or may not be doing something you like. Depending on how enlistment quotas are being met, you may be able to get a guaranteed job. Get any guarantees in writing! Keep in mind a skill that will be beneficial in the civilian sector. No where but the military will you find the kind of training available and to be paid a decent salary while you train.

One major complaint by a lot of young people in the Air Force is having to share a room with someone and not being allowed to live off base even at your own expense. It was the plan of the Air Force to eliminate this irritation and allow everyone their own quarters. I've no idea if this is now the case.

Concerning learning responsibilty, something you have to learn by doing, the Air Force will provide the opportunity. Like everything else, it's what you make of it.

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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2002, 10:44:59 AM »
Whatever elfenwolf.

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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2002, 11:07:34 AM »
The Military is what you make of it, like most things in life. If your a loser going in your going to be loser while in as well most likely. They simply take the material and shape it.

Your going to have some great times and some lousy times. The lessons you CAN learn there of sacrifice. team work and comradie are priceless. The U.S Army took me and shaped me into something far different than what I was going in.

Its YOUR choice...make an informed decision.

Elfenwolf... you get an honorable or general? LOL


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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2002, 11:55:45 AM »
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If you want to take up the con here, explain what you didn't like about the service. There's really no need for you to go after those of us who don't see eye to eye with you.

-Sikboy


Since you asked-
OK, fair enough, Sikboy. Let's start with Basic Training. (making buzzer sound) Hated it! They wake you up in the middle of the night to go out and guard a damn clothes line, for Christ's sakes. The food sucked, the DI's had the intelligence of a turnip and the sense of humor of an Ayatollah, the clothes made me look frumpy, there were no chicks, and I had to put up with wanna-be war heros who just couldn't WAIT to get to Viet Nam. Why, they would do toejam like wake us up at 4 AM just so we could go stand at attention for an hour before we entered the mess hall.

We spit shined our boots till they looked like freshly chipped Obsidian, our hair was shaved so short we looked like the Hare Krisnas who used to frequent the airports back in the 60s and 70s, and no matter what we did it was never good enough to please our DIs. I realized 5 minutes into my military career that it was going to suck. Oh...and did I mention the two or three homosexuals who lied about their ages just so they could enlist and sleep in a barracks with 65 young boys? Luckily they were discovered early and tossed out.

I hated boot camp but I understood its purpose, which was to make you think properly, which according to the military means not thinking at all.  Personally I feel either someone will stand tall when the time comes or they won't.

My  buttons were polished, my shoes were shined and my dress uniform was immaculate, and STILL I was a virgin who couldn't get laid in spite of being so squared away.

Now Viet Nam was quite another story. Most of the times it was a blast, and the majority of action I saw was in the bars and potato houses on Plantation Road in Saigon. What WAS bizarre, however, was how they shipped us over there. We flew on commercial jetliners complete with stewardesses and everything.

There were NO rules about haircuts, I didn't shine my boots the whole time I was there, I rarely shaved, and even the Non Coms were bright enough not to mess with armed American Psychos on drugs. The beer was free, the pot was cheap (a pack of Salems would swap for a pack of Gold Leaf pre-rolled joints, complete with filters) and we made more money than the President of South Vietnam even.


Now if I wanted to get political here I could comment on who actually fought that war, why school deferments weren't granted to community college students, and how some of those from my generation used their Daddy's money and political clout to avoid service by joining National Guard units, which were virtually impossible for those of us among the "Masses" to get into.

Viet Nam was much like the Titanic when it sunk, and those of us poor or lower middle class kids who weren't in the lifeboats with the Clintions and the Bushes and the Quayles were sucked right down a vacuum.

Oh, sorry, I forgot- no politics. Far be it from me to say anything controversial, and anyway I don't want to read a zillion posts from retired peace time NCOs who disagree with my (admitted) slant on Viet Nam and feel that Quayle, Clinton and Bush were treated no differently than the rest of us.

After my year's tour I shipped back Stateside although I tried to sign for one more tour. To this day I have no idea why I wanted to stay there, I think it was because I felt I could do the job better than some newbie could. Unfortunately by January of 1972 we were starting our "phased withdrawal" or "Vietnamization" of the War, so my request was denied and I shipped back Stateside.

And guess what? The NCOs all turned into DICKS again. They made me shine my shoes (three times before they were satisified) cut my hair (twice) and took it upon themselves to make my remaining 1 year, 178 days and a wake-up a living hell. I pulled duty every holiday, I never caught a break and I was the biggest toejam bird ever. In hindsight, however, my attitude was a bit much and I tended to run my mouth quite a bit...plus I was dealing with really STUPID people, and I've always been intolorant of idiots.

I finished my hitch without ever getting Masted or into any serious trouble, got out in 1974, scammed the GI Bill people out of 220.00 a month while I corrupted the morals of several young ladies I met at the local Junior College and went on with my life, but I felt like I had missed out on part of my youth.

In hindsight I would never do it again, although I was just kidding about buying a Saturday Night Special and going on a cross country crime spree instead. And I've collected a whole bunch of benefits, too, from free medical care for life due to injuries I recieved to a no-down VA house loan, so in many ways it paid off.

Although I wouldn't want to repeat the experience I wouldn't trade it for the world. The friendships I developed were the deepest ever, and I still communicate with a couple of old buddies from 30+ years ago. Today a lot of my friends are vets, and some of them were Lifers, and the common bond- and love- we feel for each other ranks right up there with the love I feel for my family. In many ways I was blessed by the experience, and I apologize if I sound bitter because I don't feel bitter at all.

If Cody (God, is EVERY young man in Texas named Cody??) decides to join the service then I wish him luck, but the military, like anything else, won't magically change you...That's up to Cody to do. And if he goes in I hope he formulates a plan, writes down his goals, sticks with them and SAVES HIS MONEY rather than spending every dime he gets.

Basically I hate seeing kids have to grow up so fast because they're only young once. There's time for responsibilities down the road.

Now as far as "going after" anybody goes, reread my post and you'll see I said HALF the Lifers can't even make a sandwich, not ALL of them. If anything I'm being kind. And if any career guys take exception to my comment about how ugly they are? Hey, you post your picture and I'll post mine. I'm really pretty good looking, if I do say so myself.


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