Author Topic: Why does the 262 have the DM of a glass bottle? (Read 570 times)

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2002, 11:12:11 AM »

Once... though he didn't get credit because he collided with me.

But "getting shot down by one" isn't what makes them such a dramatic effect. Virtually everyone in the area now has to try to keep their focus on the enemy that were already present... and one that can be on them in an instant. One that they can't catch.. only hope to avoid. That and their record speaks for themselves.

I have never seen one aproach a fight that didn't have a drastic impact on the whole fight in general.

AKDejaVu

Sachs · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2002, 11:38:58 AM »

Hmmm I am 46-0 in it this tour have yet to lose one. Even shot down a 262 the other day in it. But that ws pure luck in a H2H Ho. The plane does not take damage well. 2 Sorties yesterday bot h times the landings were eventful. Was hit a couple times missing aerilon, 2 gear, 1 engine, 1 flap, 2 guns(how the fediddle did that happen when they are firing from dead 6 and the guns are nose mounted). The damage model is fediddleed IMO, the 234 takes about 10X more damage as the 262.

Charon · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2002, 12:41:17 PM »

The fuselage on the 262 was packed with a lot of fuel due to the inefficiency of the early jet engines. Accounts I have read said that it was fragile/flammable in this respect. Of course, there's some LW guy out there who knows of the "Tankenlinen mk 309z" sealing material that made thes tanks absolutely damage resistant

Charon

Urchin · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2002, 03:02:58 PM »

No, I've not noticed any fragility on the part of the fuselage. What I HAVE noticed is that the engines are one ping wonders, this is intentional and Pyro has stated as much to me. What I've also noticed is that 1 or 2 .50 caliber rounds will remove the 'wingtip' (half the wing), which holds the 262 to under 400 mph in level flight, which is more than slow enough for many fighters to catch it in level flight.

HTC modelled the engines to be fragile on purpose. I suppose they also modelled the wingtip to be just as fragile also on purpose. What I can't figure out is WHY they made them so fragile- if in real life it took more than 4 rounds to shoot down a 262, it should obviously take more than 4 rounds to kill one in Aces High, 'balance' be damned.

The plane has a 200 point cost to fly, that in itself will keep it rare. It doesn't need to be more fragile than a crystal vase to boot.

Wilbus · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2002, 05:44:44 PM »

Why the wing and other parts blow off easy I don't know, shouldn't be like that IMO and it's not the only plane.

The engines however were fragile as hell, the "props" were actually made of a kind of Aluminum instead of extra strenghtened iron (made them lighter but broke up easily, even without hits). The engine life without maintaince was about 25 hours, a single 50 cal into one of those engines would completely shatter the "prop" and maybe even put the engine on fire. Nothing wrong with the engine dammage there.

When it comes to killing fighters, it is harder yes, but far from impossible, a lil while ago, I had 17 kills in a sortie (2 realoads) with teh 262, all but 2 were fighters and almost every single one of the fighters knew I was there and manuvered hard to avoid, it's a matter of setting them up, getting the snapshots infront of them.

Don't think it is overpriced at all, should take more dammage (except in the engines) but otherwise fine.

eddiek · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2002, 05:51:58 PM »

I think the perk price is perfect in the 262. You want to fly something that flown correctly is totally untouchable, you need to pay the price.
Damage model? Got no real opinion....upset because you got hit? Adjust your tactics, don't blame the damage model. I don't fly the 262 purely based on my own feelings about it. I don't get the same feeling of satisfaction getting kills in it when it totally outclasses any other plane in the planeset. Kinda like beating a kindergarden kid in a game of one on one basketball, you're supposed to win, so what's the thrill?

Wilbus · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2002, 06:16:55 PM »

Thril of speed?

Well, actually the best thing is all the 20 people you can have on your 6 dragging them here and there all over map while shooting down their friends

Urchin · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2002, 06:22:53 PM »

Eddiek.. I honestly don't see how you can think that if 1 or 2 .50 rounds can BLOW THE WING OFF the 262, something is wrong with the pilots tactics and not the damage model.

Change your tactics? You'd have to do a BIT more than that in my opinion. First off, attacking any sort of buff is out, since they'll blow your wing off before you even get into firing range. Since that is just about the only thing the Me262 is good for, I think 'changing your tactics' just isn't valid.

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2002, 06:27:20 PM »

Ok just returned my 262 into hangar.... 1 mission with 1 refuel => 5 kills (1x B17, 1x F6F, 1x P47D-30, 1x 205, 1x P51D).

Funny were the B17 and the P51

The P51 was waiting waaaay too long to do the evasive and actually it surprised me maybe even more than that other guy because I shot 4 round at D700-650 and he went BOOM

Would never say that you can hit something at that distance... And the B17, well on first pass I shot about 50 rounds at it hiting absolutely nothing (he didnt hit me neither). On second pass I had only 9 rounds remainig and all of them hit the target. But that sucker killed my No. 2 engine... Oh well...

About the DM - I agree that the damage modell of those engines is OK. They were pretty fragile in RL so no problem with them being the same in here. About the rest of the plane, well you should fly it the way so noone can get a shot at you and you should be ok

SirLoin · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2002, 06:30:19 PM »

Can't really comment on this..Still undefeated in 262..

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #25 on:** February 17, 2002, 06:30:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Thril of speed?

Well, actually the best thing is all the 20 people you can have on your 6 dragging them here and there all over map while shooting down their friends

ROTFL

Dead on Wilbus! Dead on

Yeah happens almost every time... Well seems like its the plane, I always thought the cons were attracted by my personal charm

But best way to fly 262s is in pairs when 1 is draging the cons and the other one is killing them from behind

We did that with Orel today and it works extremely well

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #26 on:** February 17, 2002, 06:38:17 PM »

262 primary role is buff interception. Each time these joke-buffs ping you, you are done.

Urchin, are u telling us that HTC made 262 fragile ON PURPOSE?? Is that a joke???

eddiek, pick up a yak or La and u are untouchable by default if flown properly, you dont need 262 for that.

90% times I fly 262 I keep untouchable, right, and with no wings, almost same with Ta.

mrfish · « **Reply #27 on:** February 17, 2002, 06:56:41 PM »

i dont really feel the 262 is fragile but everytime i get any damage it seems to be a lost wingtip or smoking engine.

my biggest problem is collisions from approaching too fast

Hangtime · « **Reply #28 on:** February 17, 2002, 07:30:54 PM »

Q: what does a jet whine sound like?

A: Urchin

eddiek · « **Reply #29 on:** February 17, 2002, 08:38:52 PM »

Urchin, what are you basing your "one or two rounds" on? What you hear before the damage?
We've been over this over and over and over........you don't always hear all the shells that hit you, kinda like the one ping kills we have all heard, seen, and experienced. Just because you only hear one or two hits doesn't mean that is all that hit you.
Attacking buffs? Heck, no argument there. But all fighters get hammered by the buff gunnery setup in AH. Just too much lead being thrown out and concentrated in the target area. That would change if HT made the selected gunner pretty accurate and the others not selected but firing only about 30-40% accurate. Would make it more fair IMO, since it becomes one fighter against one gunner, rather than a fighter taking on a whole crew like it is now.