Author Topic: Brits invade Spain (Read 1402 times)

CH3 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 19, 2002, 06:31:29 AM »

Sorry Pepe you're right, The Brits got Gibraltar after the War of Spanish Succession, not the Penninsular War. My mistake.

The point about Ceuta and Melilla still holds though, although I'm sure you'll be only to quick to tell us that it's a compleeeeeeeeetly different case, right?

R4M · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2002, 06:43:26 AM »

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Originally posted by CH3

The point about Ceuta and Melilla still holds though, although I'm sure you'll be only to quick to tell us that it's a compleeeeeeeeetly different case, right?

I guess Pepe was telling you to read your history books about Melilla and Ceuta too.

Morocco has as many rights over Ceuta and Melilla as they have over the Occidental Sahara...

NONE AT ALL

Check your history books about this issue too, as you seem to be really misinformed. Thank you.

Swoop · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2002, 06:52:24 AM »

R4M,

you want Gibralta back? Fight ya for it.

The Royal Marines have already been running excercises on possible landing sites ready for the British invasion. Wont you love that....thousands of pissed up squaddies marching into Benedorm to drink your beer and shag your women?

Oh yeah, they do that every summer anyway. doh.

R4M · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2002, 06:56:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Swoop
R4M,

you want Gibralta back? Fight ya for it.

The Royal Marines have already been running excercises on possible landing sites ready for the British invasion. Wont you love that....thousands of pissed up squaddies marching into Benedorm to drink your beer and shag your women?

Oh yeah, they do that every summer anyway. doh.

Don't forget...british girls also come to spain looking for some...er...shagging

. And almost all of them who are asked about their opinion say that the average british man is too boring in the bed compared with the spanish...

So, I guess that the "every summer" thing is quite of a quid-pro-quo for you, ain't it ?

-lynx- · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2002, 07:19:54 AM »

...I guess that Armada thing is still hurting like hell...

:D:D

Swoop · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2002, 07:57:15 AM »

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Originally posted by R4M

And almost all of them who are asked about their opinion say that the average british man is too boring in the bed compared with the spanish...

Just who exactly is it doing the asking?

Well, they have to let you down easy.......after all, they're on the way to the airport at the time.......

R4M · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2002, 07:59:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Swoop

Just who exactly is it doing the asking?

Well, they have to let you down easy.......after all, they're on the way to the airport at the time.......

LOL

Seeker · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2002, 08:05:53 AM »

Guys, stop beating up on Manuel here...

You all know perfectly well that without the magnificent hospitality of the Spanish people we'd not only have to formally invest the place now that Brighton's no longer fashionable; but we'd have German's supplying their own deckchairs; and we all know where that leads....

Nashwan · « **Reply #23 on:** February 19, 2002, 08:51:33 AM »

RAM, you left out the bit about Jews and Arabs not being allowed to enter Gibraltar, at the request of Spain.

Should that still be enforced too?

Also, why the two attempts by Spain in the 18th century to take Gribaltar back by force, after they had ceeded it to Britain?

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Also comply with the LETTER of that treaty. That means that you Get the diddly out of that air base you placed there illegally (because is built half into spanish soil,half into demilitarized no-man's-land).

The airfield is built entirely on land ceeded by the treaty of Utrecht, and land reclaimed from the sea.
The treaty says Gribraltar and it's forts, plural, and the current border goes up to the second of those forts, and no futher.

The question about Jews has a serious point. Should that article of the treaty be enforced, even though it has been superceeded by human rights legislation throughout Europe?

What about article 1 of the UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which both Britain and Spain have signed:

1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

So, should the Treaty of Utrecht from 1713 take precedence over modern human rights legislation? International law recognises that where two treaties conflict, the newer has precedence.

Pepe · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2002, 08:58:52 AM »

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Originally posted by CH3

The point about Ceuta and Melilla still holds though, although I'm sure you'll be only to quick to tell us that it's a compleeeeeeeeetly different case, right?

I hope all of you excuse me, for giving this guy an explanation....this is a very funny and joyful thread, but I just can't let it pass.

In short:

Ceuta has been, from prehistoric times, Fenician, Iberian, Cartago and Roman city. Then, barbarians from the N (Spain is Ceuta Northern country) took it (namely Vandals and Visigothics). Then (and only then) arabs held it from 707 and 1310 (as well as the rest of Spain and part of Europe). After that, until 1405 it belongs to the Kingdom of Aragon, when Portugese invade it. It remains under Portugese ruling until 1640 where Ceuta citizens decide to remain Spanish after Portugal rebellion against Spanish Kingdom. From that on, It's been Spanish town. Spanish, despite arab wars & sieges agains it.

So please explain me where Gibraltar's case is similar to this, and under what ground Morocco's claims are similar to ours. Do it quick, for if you don't do that, the smell of ignorance will be over that of "hipocricy".

Regards,

Pepe

Seeker · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2002, 09:00:17 AM »

Good Cod, Nash, delete that reference to article 1 before the Cornish see it! You never know where these things lead....

Pepe · « **Reply #26 on:** February 19, 2002, 09:04:41 AM »

Yep, Nashwan...I'll refrain on using that argument against your own position....

Cheers,

Ripsnort · « **Reply #27 on:** February 19, 2002, 09:13:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Swoop
R4M,

you want Gibralta back? Fight ya for it.

The Royal Marines have already been running excercises on possible landing sites ready for the British invasion. Wont you love that....thousands of pissed up squaddies marching into Benedorm to drink your beer and shag your women?

Oh yeah, they do that every summer anyway. doh.

ROTFLOL!!!

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #28 on:** February 19, 2002, 10:24:55 AM »

I'm not going to read this thread anymore because all it does is make me feel stupid over my lack of world history knowledge.

Damn, Ripsnort. You and I are the only dummies here.
Elfenwolf

Nashwan · « **Reply #29 on:** February 19, 2002, 10:33:41 AM »

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Yep, Nashwan...I'll refrain on using that argument against your own position....

What argument?
Cornwall, like Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland etc have the right to self determination.
Pity you can't say the same for the Basques.
Or the people of Ceuta, for that matter, who have been campaigning for autonomy for years.

Let me get this straight.
Cetua and Mellila are Spanish because they were siezed by force, and the people who live their want the m to be Spanish.

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Then (and only then) arabs held it from 707 and 1310 (as well as the rest of Spain and part of Europe).

So it was an Arab possesion for 603 years before being conquered.

Gribaltar also belonged to the Moors, from 711 to 1462, with a short break in the 14th century.
The Spanish held it from 1472 to 1713, or 241 years, compared to the 700 years previously it had been an Arab possesion.

The British have held it from 1713 to 2002, a period of 289 years .

So, Cetua is Spanish because the Arabs only held it for 603 years, but Gribraltar is Spanish because they held it for 241 years, compared to the previous 700 years for the Arabs, and subsequent 289 years for the British?