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Offline Curval

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2002, 08:02:23 AM »
You guys are trying to make philosophical arguements over certain facts of life.

Party, Party, Party was my motto for most of my young adult life.  But where did it get me?  At age 25. with a toejamty poli sci degree I found myself without money and essentially without prospects.  It was time to grow up!

Enthusiasm for partying was therefore replaced by enthusiasm for personal success and a rewarding career.

As age began to creep up it became obvious that years of partying had taken their toll.  Hangovers after over indulgence became significantly worse the older I got.  

Enthusiasm for waking up and comparing puke stains with my roomates was replaced by enthusiasm for feeling pretty damn good in the morning.

At age 32 I began to take a long hard look at whether or not I would ever find my perfect mate.  Not that I had any women problems...I got more popsicle than most of friends had hot meals while in university....more, would I ever find my "soul mate".

My girlfriend got pregnant....I didn't want my children growing up without a father, so we got married.  

Enthusiasm for getting laid was replaced by wanting to find the "right woman", which was then replaced by wanting to be a good father to my kids.

As the years have gone by my enthusiasm for life has not diminished in any way, it has merely changed and adapted to meet the demands that have been either thrust upon me, or that have become more important.

And, by the way...my enthusiasm for my wife who got pregnant about 3 years ago has grown to the point that I am beginning to think there is such a thing as destiny.   We ARE soul-mates!
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2002, 08:36:58 AM »
Active intelligent  mind cannot be at rest.
 As you get bored with the old activities, you search for the new ones. You may be more discrminating in what evokes enthusiasm because you can tell that many activities are really "same old...".

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2002, 08:57:27 AM »
Animal, check your language.

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2002, 09:04:58 AM »
SpaNK tHe MoNkEy
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2002, 09:12:56 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Yeager
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2002, 09:21:43 AM »
maturity and responsibility


it has nothing to do with the fact that my 43 year old body can't handle it all like my 20 year old one did :)
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2002, 09:29:56 AM »
What the hell is this drivel about Sudz?!?!

Stop it and get back to making more HellFire dammit!!!  :)

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2002, 10:16:10 AM »
Curval hit the nail on the head. Enthusiasm doesn't go away, it just gets redirected. Many of those activities we participated in as youths may only be fun when filtered through the memory sieve.

I fondly look back on too many close calls and crazy experiences, that I would never ever want to repeat.

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2002, 10:25:04 AM »
StSanta, nice dissection of the logical argument.

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"of course, with some stuff, knowing more about it means ya get more enthusiastic about it..."
- Santa

You are correct, of course,but consider this:

A medical specialist can be defined as someone who knows more and more about less and less, until finally, he  knows everything about nothing. :p
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2002, 12:14:50 PM »
Hehe Gunthr, the germans have a general term for that: fachidiot.

I dunno Santa, your analysis of the "it gets boring" argument is faulty.
The assumption is not "doing something repeatedly induces boredom."  For an appeal to sex (which most of us don't seem ever to get bored with) disproves that case.
Sure, this is a UBB discussion, so we like to be brachylogic. I would say the full argument here is the following:
assumption: Enthusiasm stems from anticipation of the reward for a given activity. (Dude let's go to a party and get loaded, who knows maybe get laid)

When the range of the reward (dude, who knows, maybe I'll end up in a 3-on-1 with the Swedish bikini team) and the value of the reward (dude, getting loaded is the best thing out there) are known with less precision, it is possible to have greater enthusiasm than if the range and value are known with more precision (=jaded: Dude, if I get laid, it's gonna be either A: with someone who has an unsatisfactory appearance/body odor B: with someone who has a host of phsychological problems or C: with someone of a sex and/or core gender identity that I find undesirable; Dude, getting loaded just means I'm gonna spend another sunday wiping the puke off the floor.).

What that means is that enthusiasm, the anticipation of the reward, should remain constant throughout life, but should be directed with greater precision towards its maximal hedonistic potential.  Likewise, in some cases, knowing more about the nature of the reward does increase enthusiasm in some cases.  Take Art Openings, for example: who'd go to one of those snooty things?  Wait a minute; Free food, free booze, you're actually encouraged to rant about the crap someone's slathered on the walls, babes, what's not to like?
« Last Edit: February 20, 2002, 12:17:21 PM by Dinger »

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Very interesting thread so far.
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2002, 01:02:41 PM »
What if at a very young age, you already lost all enthusiasm.

And you can only get it back in strange occasions or force it for very, very short bursts doing outrageously dangerous stuff?
Does it mean you are depressed, or just hard to please?

I am 19 and everything is very pointless to me.
Oh well, I'll go back to my job so I can earn money and buy stuff I dont need. Those new speakers and digital cameras are sure to fill that big gap in my life and bring back joy.

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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2002, 02:03:56 PM »
Animal, you might be depressed. What happened to flying lessons? You were going to do that weren't you?

What happened to school?

What happened to that good looking girlfriend of yours? Can I have her phone number if you are unable to give her the proper attention?:p
« Last Edit: February 20, 2002, 02:23:11 PM by Gunthr »
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2002, 02:30:42 PM »
School was put on hold until I get a few things straightened out.

I still fly, though not as much as I would like to; mostly due to time, but I blame my lack of motivation for everything.

And my girlfriend, or should I say, ex. I dont know how she'd react to a call from a stranger who heard about her on a fligh sim bbs. Probably call the FBI.



I feel a lot like that guy Edward Norton plays in Fight Club.

Maybe I am depressed, but I dont like psychiatrists. They just ask you questions and look at some table and compare your answers. Then they pump you with medications accordingly. I dont feel myself depressed as in being thinking of death and sorrow all the time. I am just not happy, nor sad. Like a robot very emotionless, and numb.

How different is depending from prozac or lithium, than depending on alcohol or other drugs.
I may spend the rest of my life living in conformity waiting for some spiritual revelation or midlife crisis.

Or I may choose to self-destruct myself gradually like I used to, but even that isnt as fun anymore ;)
« Last Edit: February 20, 2002, 02:34:26 PM by Animal »

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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2002, 02:55:44 PM »
My experience:
Boredom can bring on depression.

Challenging one's self to something out of the ordinary (School to furthers one career, skydiving, sheep, whatever...) can cure boredom.

In other words, taking yourself out of your comfort zone can be fearful as well as exhilarating. And boredom no longer plays a role, until of course, you become comfortable in that new zone. ;)

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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2002, 03:12:17 PM »
Yeap thats the problem.
In order for me to be happy, I have to be a damn "free spirit" jumping from women to women, living in a different place and form every two months, scuba diving in very unsafe places, leaving my house without notice and living on the rain forest for a week, or just driving around the island until I find some place to sleep.

I love aviation, but Cessnas and Pipers get boring. And there are no aerobatic planes here, so thats why my interest in flying has been fading away.

Maybe Ive tried so many things that I get very easily bored with normal stuff now.

I should start thinking global..


Anyways I talk of my experience to prove that you dont have to grow old to loose enthusiasm. It happens even to the young, beautiful and virile.