Author Topic: HTC!!! Don't let FA3 beat you.... (Read 1085 times)

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2002, 01:13:00 PM »

I did not know FA3 was already in beta until Wotan pointed it out.

So what I'm really saying is, I want HTC to model a F4F-3.

You are looking for something that isn't there.
-SW

Wotan · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2002, 01:35:52 PM »

I had thought the same as streak,

I didnt really know what you were talking about since fa3 was already in beta with that plane and may others not present in AH.

Anyway like I said if ya care dl'd it I bet like me you will remove it from your HD right after.........

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2002, 01:40:00 PM »

Nah, I have no intention of d/ling it. AH and Il-2 are all I want to play.

EDIT: I've been here since beta tour 3, why would I ever go to FA3? and if you still question my motives, read this thread I posted to not more than a week ago:http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45899
-SW

Udie at Work · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2002, 01:50:01 PM »

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Originally posted by streakeagle
Since FA3 is already in open beta...

FA3 already beat AH to having the F4F, P-40, A-20, B-25..., so what are you really saying?

LOL! I bet they all have the same FM/DM too

Wotan · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2002, 01:55:56 PM »

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Nah, I have no intention of d/ling it. AH and Il-2 are all I want to play.

EDIT: I've been here since beta tour 3, why would I ever go to FA3? and if you still question my motives, read this thread I posted to not more than a week ago:http://www.hitechcreations.com/foru...&threadid=45899
-SW

question your motives.......???

I could carelees about motives.

I just did not understand your post given the current state of fa3. I know now you stumbled across a screenshot with no background information.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2002, 01:58:02 PM »

Not you Wotan, you didn't say anything to make me think you were implying anything.
-SW

SirLoin · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2002, 02:01:00 PM »

Bloody beautiful!..My new wallpaper!..Bring F4F to AH!!!

streakeagle · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2002, 02:37:18 PM »

I will not blind myself and say AH is uber no matter what else is on the market. Like any good consumer, I will gravitate to the product that gives me the best value.

AH is the only online game I have ever played regularly and the only one I have ever paid for. When someone consistently provides me with a good product, I tend to become a "loyal" customer.

But, if product x is superior to AH in many ways that are important to me and inferior in only a few ways that are not important to me, HTC will fully understand why I would cancel my service with them to get the new product.

For me, WB3 is not that product x. Based on present trends, I doubt it ever will be. Seems the majority of online gamers feel the same way.

FA3 as it now exists (and is implied by your post whether you intended it or not) actually has some advantages over AH. FA3 appears to be serious competition in aspects that are important to most gamers: planeset, graphics, and price. As you have pointed out, HTC does need to take notice.

For the moment, I agree with you fully. AH is still the superior product and will continue to receive my dollars. They tend to cater to my needs: fidelity of flight and gunnery physics with a planeset that includes both the aircraft I like to fly and the aircraft I like to fly against.

If HTC gives you your F4F, I want the P-40B and/or A-36

Where have the people clamoring for the Brewster Buffalo gone? That would be an original addition, though I doubt there would be any significant numbers of people as devoted enough to fly it regularly.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #23 on:** March 01, 2002, 02:46:06 PM »

As for the Buffalo, the proponents of that plane still lurk here. I wouldn't mind seeing one, I would certainly take it up a few times. Some of the guys who want the Buffalo are trying to get the facts about the FAF "swastika" straightened out in that other thread. So they really haven't gone anywhere, they just fly only one plane. And possibly left to go to Il2 where there is the possibility to fly 109s&190s with FAF decals on them.

Anyway, that's besides the point... Sure they have a planeset, although I'm not sure how much of one? This is honest, I know not a thing about FA3 except what has been told to me in this thread and what I see in that screenshot.

I'm sure they are still lacking the FM/DM/gunnery dept, and even when they were supported by M$ unlimited flow of cash, the updates were still few and far between (I followed the devel of FA1 from the sidelines and watched for a few months how FA2 worked out)... to say it was less than desirable is an understatement.

Anywho, I've been following HiTech, Pyro and their crew around since the early days of WB (aka CK)... and to this date they have not let me down and I don't foresee them ever letting me down.

So as long as I keep getting paid, they'll keep getting my subscription- no matter what planes they choose to add or not.

This is all IMHO of course.
-SW

Udie at Work · « **Reply #24 on:** March 01, 2002, 03:05:05 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Anywho, I've been following HiTech, Pyro and their crew around since the early days of WB (aka CK)... and to this date they have not let me down and I don't foresee them ever letting me down.
This is all IMHO of course.
-SW

HT let me down once and only once. ONCE

Back in the CK beta the big video card to have was the diamond stealth S3 card. I saved for a month to get that card and finaly that wonderful payday friday I got it and rushed home to install it. I go to log into the CK server and I get nothing, nothing for a week or 2

Finaly one day I check back and CK is dead and changed to WB with a new graphics engine, that was not optimized for the S3 chipset

But still I was left with a nice card wich worked well for my other games

Did I ever tell you guys that HT has directly caused every computer upgrade I've ever made?

AKEagle+ · « **Reply #25 on:** March 01, 2002, 03:09:13 PM »

AH has may things going for it besides just eye candy.

I think what HTC has to watch out for is playability for newbies.

If we keep a playable planeset available where newbies can have fun, we will probably be more than competative. If we keep the present perk system we may be competative. If we revamp/scrap the perk system to make it easier to fly perked planes we will be more than competative. If we keep adding more planes to the perked list, we IMNSHO will lose a lot of newbies to FA3 and other sims.

Newbies are the life blood of a sim. Lose them, and we all lose. Attract them, and we have a target rich environment, and we can keep this great sim going and getting better.

AKEagle+

Doberman · « **Reply #26 on:** March 01, 2002, 06:06:39 PM »

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Originally posted by streakeagle

FA3 as it now exists (and is implied by your post whether you intended it or not) actually has some advantages over AH. FA3 appears to be serious competition in aspects that are important to most gamers: planeset, graphics, and price.

Are these really the important points for the AH core audience? They certainly aren't for me. Well, two outta three aren't for me and the other is marginal.

Price, up to a point, doesn't factor in my decision. I thought I was getting a great value paying $2 an hour for Warbirds, way back when. How many other forms of entertainment give such varied, exciting, interactive environments? Hell, I even paid WAY more than that playing AW for a time (though affording it was a bit of a stretch for me.) So even if another game was half the price of AH, it'd hafta simply be a better game to get my patronage.

Graphics? C'mon, really here. Are we a buncha Quake kids? (Yeah, I know it seems like the skies full of them these days.) How much time do you spend outside your plane admiring it in a view like that F4 above? How often are you close enough to the enemy for long enough to really admire the awesome detail?

Planeset? This is more important to me. But even if the AH set didn't advance from here, I'd be satisfied. It's fine for MA use. Sure we need a buncha other stuff for scenarios, but the big draw of these games is really the MA.

What's important to me, and probably to most of the AH user base? Realistic, believable flight & gunnery models. And at least a limited strat aspect so there's some sorta goal in the MA. A fairly simple user interface so that flying & fighting isn't too difficult.

AH has these last aspects in spades. Until some other game is able to surpass them, prettier graphics or a lower price isn't likely to draw away many users.

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SOB · « **Reply #27 on:** March 01, 2002, 06:20:36 PM »

Just for the record: After seeing the title of the post and who posted it, I was 99% certain what the content of the post would be. (Get an F4F in AH, puhleeese). Really, it's the only thing that SW begs for. OK, well that, and sex from prostitutes at a discounted rate.

SOB

AKEagle+ · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2002, 07:00:42 PM »

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and sex from prostitutes at a discounted rate.

Wulfie! Have you given up on the AK sheep??

They are gonna miss you

AKEagle+

Wilbus · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2002, 07:07:33 PM »

Sneak advertising for FA3, O'Club...

Besdies, way more important things to fix before making better grpahics, also remember that there are people who can't afford new system every 6 months.