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Offline ispar

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2002, 07:32:17 PM »
Yes, I heard that our soldiers are out there, "defending our freedom," and indeed several have been killed. It's a tragedy, and I am very sorry indeed for them and their families. Now, the only thing to do is to win this battle.

The greater tragedy is that this will not stop here. I hate this bloody war business, because it's a self-growth industry. And that's also why I'm disgusted with those that are beginning murmur doubtfully, or get concerned now that we are beginning to lose our soldiers in one of the first real ground battles in over ten years. The great majority of US enemy-fire fatalities over the last decade have been from mines and bombings, no? All, I can say is that the American people must be prepared to reap what we have sown. We wanted a war, and by God, we've got one now. We are going to lose some soldiers doing it, and that is the price we have to pay, because like it or not, America is now involved in Afghanistan until the bitter end if we ever hope to end this there. We can avoid Iraq, we can avoid Iran, we can avoid N. Korea, but there is simply no way at this point we can negotiate anything with the fighters in Afghanistan. We'll hold on to it and kick them out, or we'll be the second major power to abandon Afghanistan in 20 years, something that we can't allow to happen.

F*ck war.

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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2002, 09:45:15 AM »
They tried Enron , didn't/hasn't worked yet.

Interesting... They tried Whitewater. That didn't work either, but it did cost us taxpayers a bunch.

When Saddam kicked out the inspectors we should have put the 500,000 troops back on the ground and kicked him out. Clinton let him get away with it...

How is this Clinton's fault? Last I checked, the actions against Iraq WRT Kuwait were by a coalition of countries. This was not simply a U.S. problem. How is it that Clinton is the only one that could offer a solution?

They don't have enough spine to do that or they don't want to afford our enemies the supposed rights a declaration of war would give them.

How we treat our prisoners regardless of the legalese that is being spun by the DoD will have a direct effect on the treatment of U.S. POWs in the future. It's something to consider.

he lied under oath. It doesn't matter what it was about.

Yes it does (to some of us).

he should go up to Bush personaly and talk, NOT IN FRONT OF CAMERAS He's playing pure election year politics when we are at war, that to me is unforgivable.

American politics are exercised in public with much assistance by the media. That's how it works. I'd rather have it all in the front where I can see it. I think the Philadelphia Inquirer has the right idea:

 
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Still, the country runs best when a loyal opposition - from either party - asks tough questions, even during times of war. That is how our check-and-balance system of government thrives. The most frightening prospect would be a White House and Congress controlled by one party, giving carte blanche to any and all war plans an administration might conceive.

That counterbalancing function is all the more important with this administration, which repeatedly has acted as though its actions should not be questioned.

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Because it's not just in times of war - but especially in times of war - that questions must be asked.


... and those same questions must be answered publicly.
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2002, 10:00:42 AM »
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Interesting... They tried Whitewater. That didn't work either, but it did cost us taxpayers a bunch.

 Only because all envolved kept their mouths shut (ie. susan macdougal et all)  Evidence was never turned over and the investigation was constantly held back by Democrats....


How is this Clinton's fault? Last I checked, the actions against Iraq WRT Kuwait were by a coalition of countries. This was not simply a U.S. problem. How is it that Clinton is the only one that could offer a solution?

 Exactly my point, then how on Earth could it be Bush 41's fault?  See the hypocracy? ;)  Though we should have acted alone in my opinion world safety/freedom is worth it.


How we treat our prisoners regardless of the legalese that is being spun by the DoD will have a direct effect on the treatment of U.S. POWs in the future. It's something to consider.

 Just like past wars in Japan, Korea and Vietnam?  We've seen how American POW's have been treated in the past, what's diferent now?  You think if Al Queda captured an American soldier or civilian he'd be alive long enough to be a POW? LOL!

he lied under oath. It doesn't matter what it was about.

Yes it does (to some of us).



 heh to the LAW it doesn't......


American politics are exercised in public with much assistance by the media. That's how it works. I'd rather have it all in the front where I can see it. I think the Philadelphia Inquirer has the right idea:


  Bullcrap!  This is a freaking war man, we have troops on the ground most likely in "undisclosed" countries.  Some may actually be there undetected by those governments.  Bush tell's Damazinhunk where they are and Damazinhunk leaks it and then the governments know our guys are there and start looking to kill them.  Congress has already proven that it leaks like a siv, why should they be trusted now?  BUT :D  You're right these questions should be asked/answered.  Dashle could meet with Bush when ever he wants to, yet he brings this stuff up infront of cameras,  you're a fool to think it's not politicly motivated to hurt Bush / Republicans in an election year because the Democrats are weak and have no other hope to save there 1 vote majority in the Senate.  In a time when we are in a real war, undeclared or not, that is not how to be a leader which he is supposed to be.   I truely wonder if Damazinhunk cares mroe about the future of this country or the power of his political party.  He's no leader that's for sure.......

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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2002, 10:15:23 AM »
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A Time For Greatness
Column by Senator Tom Daschle
September 2001


It is clear from their painstaking plans that the terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon thought they had covered every detail. But there is one crucial detail they overlooked: Hardship and heartbreak are not new to Americans. As individuals and as a nation, we have endured great challenge and struggle, yet none has ever broken us. When tragedy strikes, Americans sift through the ashes of despair to find faith, courage and an unshakable commitment to freedom, democracy and each other.

Our greatness in times of tragedy is what distinguishes us as a nation. We saw that greatness last week in the passengers of a doomed airliner who defied their murderers and prevented even greater destruction. We saw it in the police and firefighters who lost their lives trying to save others, and in the rescue workers who worked for days without sleep searching for even one more survivor. We continue to see that greatness in millions of Americans who are contributing to disaster relief funds, and the millions more who wait hours to donate blood. The cowards who attacked our nation could not see this about us because they were blinded by their own fanatical hatred of us.

Now is a time for mourning and remembrance. It is time for shock and anger. But most of all, it is a time for greatness. We can't all take part in the rescue efforts in New York or Washington. But there is much each of us can do: If you own an American flag, raise it. If you can afford to, contribute to the disaster relief effort. Light a candle. Offer a prayer for those who lost their lives, a shoulder to the families and friends they've left behind, and a kind word to those around you. Fight hatred at home as vehemently as you would hatred from abroad. Whether by birth or by choice, we are all Americans. Refuse to let the terrorists divide us.

When the time is right, we will respond decisively and punish those who committed these diabolical acts. Until then, be patient and support President Bush as our government navigates through these difficult days. Whatever differences we may have on other matters, they are nothing compared to our common love for America and our common desire to bring the killers to justice. Have hope – know that we will come through this even stronger than before. Above all, go back to your daily lives. Show the terrorists they failed by embracing with renewed vigor the freedom and economic opportunity they would destroy. Ultimately, that may be the most patriotic thing any of us can do.

One of the demolition workers in New York had it right. "They hit the World Trade Center. They hit the Pentagon. But they missed America." We will win this war against terrorism because, inside of nearly every American is a passionate patriotism and a fierce determination to protect the people and values we love. That is the fundamental reality the terrorists did not understand. It is our greatness, and now is the time to show it.
 
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2002, 10:54:24 AM »
Hm, bad news indeed. It was a matter of time before it'd happen though.

Denmark has put Special Forces on the ground in that operation too. I wonder when we'll see our first casualties in war since  WWII...

They're there to do an important job. My thoughts are with them and their families.

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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2002, 11:49:38 AM »
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  I wish he'd keep singing that tune, but he stopped the week before Christmas......


  Thanks to you're Country Santa!