Author Topic: the BF110G2 (Read 5723 times)

Soviet · « **Reply #90 on:** March 16, 2002, 11:18:49 PM »

I actually kind of like the damage of AH. It makes it fun, sure it's not totally realistic but it strikes the balance between fun and realism

Dashe · « **Reply #91 on:** March 17, 2002, 06:16:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus

Well, all books and charts say that the TA152 had a top speed of 472mph at 41,000 feet but nothing has been done about that...

Just so there's no misunderstnading of my statements, I think the 110G, like every plane in AH, is fine. They all can kill and are killable, if you take the time to do it right, and don't just furball. Even the 17 with it's guns can be killed about 30% of the time, more for some, if you do it correctly with the right plane.

I really like AH, far better then I ever did AW, and think the new version is great, except frame rate and 110 backslides.

Dashe

Wilbus · « **Reply #92 on:** March 17, 2002, 06:35:25 AM »

Yes Dashe, it is great, but it's got flaws, some pretty major.

If the 110 is somehow overmodelled I want it to be made right too, I don't think it is overmodelled though, not judging from the numbers I have.

The TA152 is wrong however, not difficult to prove but nothing has, nor do I think anything will be done about that.

Vermillion · « **Reply #93 on:** March 17, 2002, 08:37:34 AM »

Hell, I don't care either way. I was just trying to share the meager information I had on the plane.

Oh but yes I have seen guncam shots of tails coming off. In fact, yesterday I was watching the history channel, and saw a clip that I had forgotten about, where a Fw190A takes some cannon hits righ where the tail attaches to the rear fuselage during a hard break turn. The tail seperated quite cleanly (just like it looks like in AH) and the plane started too tumble.

And yes I realize thats not the norm, but it did happen.

Daff · « **Reply #94 on:** March 17, 2002, 08:44:58 AM »

On the anecdotal side, All 8th AF pilot accounts I've read, considered *any* twin engined plane an automatic kill.

Daff

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #95 on:** March 17, 2002, 07:32:11 PM »

All these people whinning about the 110 being overmodeled should take a look at the Typh ... Ups! But it is not german ...

Karnak · « **Reply #96 on:** March 17, 2002, 08:10:23 PM »

Mandoble,

What's wrong with the Typhoon?

Please say as I don't know.

And leave off with the "conspiracy persecution complex". I, among many other, have pointed out errors where non-LW aircraft perform too well or have options they shouldn't. Including the Typhoon's roll rate back when it rolled too rapidly.

Widewing · « **Reply #97 on:** March 17, 2002, 11:29:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Mandoble,

What's wrong with the Typhoon?

Please say as I don't know.

And leave off with the "conspiracy persecution complex". I, among many other, have pointed out errors where non-LW aircraft perform too well or have options they shouldn't. Including the Typhoon's roll rate back when it rolled too rapidly.

There's nothing wrong with the Tiffy. It's a poor roller, not an especially good turner. It suffers from compressibility more than most, being a handful at high speeds. I find it to be modeled very nicely. Like many other "E" fighters, it requires discipline to score kills. Its marginal turning ability is offset by its speed. It rewards good judgement. I have flown it just 4 times this tour and have managed 8 kills to one combat loss, plus one muffed deadstick landing (running out of fuel because my field was capped, and I had to go elsewhere). Mandoble, if you have trouble with Typhoons, adjust your tactics. As for me, I have little problem with them, going 18/4 against it in the MA.

My regards,

Widewing

Karnak · « **Reply #98 on:** March 18, 2002, 12:59:57 AM »

Widewing,

He's not saying he has trouble killing/being killed by Typhoons, he's insinuating that it is over modeled.

I'd like to know how.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #99 on:** March 18, 2002, 01:14:12 AM »

Karnak, all was post in another thread about "D9 elevator authority".

Some of us decided to do a tests battery in the DA with several planes, Typh included.

This plane demostrated to be a "wonder" at hi speeds with an elevator authority well above the rest. In very pronounced dives we were unable to compress the thing, even more, where the other planes get stuck to trim control or just augered with no hope, Typh still had FULL elevator authority, even surpasing the spitIX, and never lost completely aileron control.

Basically, it demostrated to be a monster above 250mph, with very little E loose performing brutal recoveries where most of the planes were simply wingless.

Go to DA and do some tests with P47, P51, D9, La7, SpitIX, 190A8 and Typh and get your own conclussions.

Urchin · « **Reply #100 on:** March 18, 2002, 01:46:46 AM »

The Tiffie isn't exactly a 'monster'... besides, all this squeaking and moaning about how much this or that plane is porked is stupid and pointless. The 110G2 isnt a monster either. Well, unless you are in a buff, then it is a monster. A good pilot can hold his own in the 110, just like in any other plane.

The Tiffie has already been whacked with the nerf stick, no point in whacking it again. Its good points are it is reasonably fast and it has pretty good firepower, its bad points are just about everything else. It is like a British 190A8, but a little better.

One thing that does make me wonder- does anyone have any good data on the 109E4? I think it might be turning better than it should be, I always thought the F series was literally better at everything than the E series was. In Aces High the E4 outturns the F4. I've heard people saying it will outturn the SpitIX, but I haven't gotten a chance to try it yet. I did go round and round and round with a SpitV while I was in a 109E4 though.. I think it turns almost as well as the V does, but it could have been relative pilot ability (like I was turning my plane harder than he was turning his.. or flying closer to the edge of the envelope). Anyone have any experience with this?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #101 on:** March 18, 2002, 02:23:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
It is like a British 190A8, but a little better.

No comments ... but u better go and do some serious tests with Typh before getting so "funny" conclussions.

illo · « **Reply #102 on:** March 18, 2002, 03:39:32 AM »

Well i think a-8 is much better. Roll is most important for me. General handling of a8 i like better too.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #103 on:** March 18, 2002, 04:33:33 AM »

Have they changed the A8 model in this new version?? At least, previous to 1.09, A8 was outturned, outaccelerated, outdived, outclimbed and outgunned by the Typh. Illo, sadly, rollrate is good almost only in the defensive, but is not a primary performance key.

Urchin, about 109E vs 109F, comparing wingloadings is a good starting point to get an idea about turning capabilities. AFAIK, 109E4 should outturn anyother 109 at slow speeds.

Wilbus · « **Reply #104 on:** March 18, 2002, 04:49:20 AM »

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I, among many other, have pointed out errors where non-LW aircraft perform too well or have options they shouldn't. Including the Typhoon's roll rate back when it rolled too rapidly.

And it's greatly appriciated Karnak!

However, Tiffie is a far better fighter then it was said to be during the war, so is the 110 IMO together with a bunch of other planes.

The tiffie DOES turn good, it can outturn a 4 gunned 190 A5 (which allso turns pretty good), it can outdive most things and doesn't compress easily, I don't know if it compressed easily in real life or not, it doesn't in AH though.
Just my view of it, not saying it is wrong just saying that there are a ton of airplanes in AH that seem to have a FAR better chance of survival then we would think of them judging from combat reports.