HT you rule!!!!

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by Yeager
Let me tell you what, if and when WBs3 goes retail you will see many hundreds (if not more) instead of low 80s during peak and those who love that little community will get the shock of their online lives as a result (not to mention the all too predictable problems with customer support which will increase proportionately).

I left WBs because I knew D&D and crew had their toejam packed tightly together and if I loved WBs, which I did dearly, then the next deal would be better and it was and remains.

Dude!  did you just call HT and Pyro fudge packers?!?!?!?!

[Bcnu]

Originally posted by Udie at Work

 Damn that's sad. What about durring events?  That was what I  personaly missed most about WB besides the community.

OK, I gotta chime in here a bit.  I hardly ever lurk AH boards but I picked the right day ...

First off, hello uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud ie

Secondly, you will note in the agw thread that HS (if not some other people) responded tactfully and, I think, honestly about % of Dale's code left in WB3.  (Stunning several dozen ex-WB AH players who are used to HS's blunt responses...)

Personally I wish they had thrown out everything from old WB to do WB3, not that I am trashing Dale's code (maybe his SPELLING hehe) but that there are many limitations you put on yourself when you elect to take a bunch of existing code into a new project instead of starting tabula rasa.

Thirdly, WB pulls about 60 for Scenario Lite on Sunday/Tuesday/Wednesday/Friday, 120-odd Euro types for EMC Wednesday, 90-110 for Target For Today (like old WB Weekend Warrior) Thursdays, and 250+ Sunday evenings for the Squadron Select Series (S3).

I usually see 80-120 in WB3 main arena and I don't fly 2.77 any more if I can help it.

No WB vs. AH flames here, just the facts as I know em.

Be seeing you,
  No.6 CO virtual 4th FG (WB:  bcnu++)
  http://www.fourthfightergroup.com
  Fourth but First!

[Udie at Work]

HEHE I've been waiting all day for somebody from WB to come over here and eat my lunch...........

I'm glad it was you bcnu  how ya been?  I agree with you're first 2 paragraphs.  To be honest I was quite shocked at HS's response too, he was respectful

 I can't believe the numbers are so low durring the week.  I still hope to fly with all you guys again one day over here  I really don't understand why more don't.  But then I didn't understand why every old WB vet didn't jump on the AH bandwagon from the start.   Then again there's alot I don't understand

good seeing ya man, and why don't you give the old HTC 2 week trial a whirl.  It would be great to see you in the arena

[hblair]

Originally posted by Bcnu


Secondly, you will note in the agw thread that HS (if not some other people) responded tactfully and, I think, honestly about % of Dale's code left in WB3.  (Stunning several dozen ex-WB AH players who are used to HS's blunt responses...)

Funny how HS is tactful and mannerly only when HT is around. Is it because he knows HT will set him straight if he tells the usual story about the "old code" ? hmmmm...

[Wilbus]

Or better yet, give me $1000 and I'll go down to their offices (about 30 minutes from here) and put the smack down on HS and friends for ya, baseball bat and blowtorch style.

For $1000 more I'll film it.

OK Everybody! Pay up!

Never met this Bcnu guy but he seems pretty nice, now AH community has got a new goal, bring him and his squad to AH

[Saurdaukar]

:::Throws $10 into the pot for the "bat and blow torch party":::

Spoke with the Discover people today - very helpful.  They are in the process of explaining to IEN that their charges on my card are bogus.  Hopefully this will pan itself out on the next few weeks and I will be free of the Stalinist grip IEN unjustly has on my finances.

I read the posts from the link provided at the top of the thread and got peeved... tried to create an account and start defending HiTech but got "we are not taking any new registrations at this time."  Regardless - I hope that some WB'ers browse this BBS and they see some of the negative feedback they are receiving as a result of the "customer service" provided by IEN.  

In terms of the game itself there are some things I do like about WB... by comparison there are ALOT I do not like.  The flight models are crap - feels like FA3 with stalls... and whoever posted that the grafix in WB are better is on crack.  The simplest of things makes AH better... the little things - like actually modeling every shell out of the barrel... WB only models the tracers - try shooting at the ground and youll see what I mean.

I guess the bottom line here is that WB is not only finished in terms of "the sim every AW'er wishes they could afford" - it is finished in terms of "flight sim with a following."  WB is through and despite the fact that at one time it had a respectable community - it is now full of pompus egotistical morons in denile.  Time to close your doors IEN - not getting anymore of my money - which according to your members list is roughly 30% of total income it seems...

[Bcnu]

Originally posted by Udie at Work
HEHE I've been waiting all day for somebody from WB to come over here and eat my lunch...........

I'm glad it was you bcnu  how ya been?  I agree with you're first 2 paragraphs.  To be honest I was quite shocked at HS's response too, he was respectful

good seeing ya man, and why don't you give the old HTC 2 week trial a whirl.  It would be great to see you in the arena

Oh no it's turned into a recruitment thread ... I've already *been* in AH, I was in on beta days.  Maybe my memory is slipping but didn't we shoot each other down a few times back then?

Why people stay, or leave for that matter, is complicated.  Some people were motivated to leave by friendship (snak left same time Mo and crew left, for instance), some by anger (lots of posts here about how HS ticked someone off), or boredom, or because their squad all left too, or even (gasp) because of flight modeling or somesuch; or they stayed for the exact same reasons.  I know it's shocking, but people disagree about flight models!  There are even cases where the cluster**** which is the story of TCFAICI played a part.

They might also have stayed in WB because they were Mac pilots.  (I'm not even going to speculate on trying to take a G4 Mac, run Linux on it, then get WineX to run on that for AH).

Also a LOT of people have accounts almost exclusively to fly the S3.  (http://www.s3events.com)

Recent versions of WB3 have started to actually use HS's modeling rather than 2.x modeling, which you may or may not like; funny thing is the FW190a4 handles more like old 1.11 WB than any of the WB2 versions (which is good for you Luft-waffle types).  Also 1:1 bullet modeling is in at last.

Anyway I was over here to grab AH anyway for a piece of writing I'm doing but I'd be surprised if I signed up for the free trial; life is busy in RL not to mention squad, CM duties, and taking time to post here  Guess I picked the wrong day to do a download, I'll let you guys have 1.09 AH for a day or two until servers stop belching smoke.  I'll probably grab the latest WB3 instead for now.

Wilbus,  I will not be pushed (go look up the reference, it might do you some good) ... but if I was subject to things like recruiting drives, you would be better served by not trash-talking the people you are trying to recruit before you recruit them  (and Target: Korea has been announced for a LONG time before the last WB-CON, they just happened to be showing demo code around that time).

Be seeing you,
  6

P.S.  As of this writing about 215 people in WB, FYI (90 WB2, 125 WB3).  That's a single data point with no marketing value at all.  Obviously the number gets bigger on Sundays when the people who are primarily interested in Big Events all show up for S3.

[OZkansas]

I wonder just how many of thsoe 215 players are really paying for their accounts?

[Bcnu]

Originally posted by OZkansas
I wonder just how many of thsoe 215 players are really paying for their accounts?

Heck if I know, but probably all but a very few.  Is that comment really necessary?

Seriously, I take no @#$@ from people who post on a.g.w. flaming AH (as opposed to disagreeing civilly about FMs or whatever) and you don't help your cause with snide remarks over here either.

Ya know, once upon a time we were all one flight-sim community ... of course back then we were paying $6/hour to fly half-time relaxed realism Air Warrior.  If there was really a perfect sim we'd probably all be flying it.

Be seeing you,
  No.6 (bcnu++) <<- yes, those are WB CM "+' signs
  http://www.fourthfightergroup.com
  Fourth but First!

(When you're out of Mustangs, you're out of fighters -- Fencer)

[Dawvgrid]

,,,,,,,,,comeon BCNU join our ranks,,,,,we also have alot of ODD eurotypes here:D

[Skuzzy]

bcnu

Damn fine attitude and good posts.

I think you are getting some knee jerk reactions from some the responses.  It is rare that the two communities cross post to each others boards without some type of flame war ensuing.

I just wanted to let you know, I think your posts were spot-on and your reactions displayed a high level of class.