Most realistic Flight Sim

[Raubvogel]

Originally posted by Duedel:

To AcId:
In germany they called the cocktail in the bar at the end of the universe "Pangalaktischer Donnergurgler"    
Whats the english word for it?
And dont forget your    


Duedel / Düdel

[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: Duedel ]

PanGalactic Gargleblaster  

[LePaul]

As a licensed pilot and avid fligth simmer, there is one variable you are forgetting:

Your hardware

If you have a fast system that will run Aces nicely with lots of FPS, then I'd say Aces is among the most accurate.  Stalls, etc...I'd have to say that for the most part Aces "feels" the best to me.  Then again, my computer also runs Aces High quite nicely...if I had a slow system, I might have a different opinion.

[Nifty]

Originally posted by Maverick:
Ahem.

For those that want flight realism there is a solution. It's real simple. Take your pasty (insert skin tone of choice here) out from in front of the computer monmitor and go find a flight school. Get some lessons and preferably LEARN to fly for REAL. Don't spend a single nanosecond worrying ahbout the realism aspect of a computer GAME because IT AIN'T REAL AND CAN'T BE REAL!!!!! Real life is out there, go find it and experiance it, FOR REAL!!  

<rant off>

Mav

uhmm.  AH = $15/month.  RL Lessons = $100+/hour.  you do the math.

[miko2d]

Originally posted by Maverick:
It's real simple. Take your pasty (insert skin tone of choice here) out from in front of the computer monmitor and go find a flight school. Get some lessons and preferably LEARN to fly for REAL. Don't spend a single nanosecond worrying ahbout the realism aspect of a computer GAME because IT AIN'T REAL AND CAN'T BE REAL

 I did just that in T6 Texan. One hour of aerobatics. That was the best $450 ever spent.
 I was surprised how familiar I felt and how true the WB2.7 (then) flight modelling was.
 If you have the full stick/throttle/pedals setup, after you get accustomed to hat views you can be sure that WB and AH provide pretty realistic flying experience.

 miko

[Grendel]

Well, realism.

 

Here you got a 31 victory Messerchmitt / Curtiss Hawk ace flying WarBirds III. He got into "touch" rather quickly, even though the joysticks aren't exactly like those he had in the old warplanes, and was maneuvering very well in the skies.

He told later that "many things in the simulator were well done" but his main gripes was that you had to use instruments for flying. "I never watched the instruments or the ball" he said. In some respects our current sims are close. In other, not.

Larger picture of the above here: http://edome.fi.soneraplaza.net/php/picture.php/artikkeli_ilmailupaivat2001/herrat1.jpg

Full article: http://edome.fi.soneraplaza.net/php/article.php/1004453490.html

[funkedup]

I think AH has the best flight and gunnery physics models of any massively multiplayer online sim that is currently on the market.  That's my $2.00E-02

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Grendel:
Well, realism.

  (Image removed from quote.)  

Here you got a 31 victory Messerchmitt / Curtiss Hawk ace flying WarBirds III. He got into "touch" rather quickly, even though the joysticks aren't exactly like those he had in the old warplanes, and was maneuvering very well in the skies.

He told later that "many things in the simulator were well done" but his main gripes was that you had to use instruments for flying. "I never watched the instruments or the ball" he said. In some respects our current sims are close. In other, not.

Larger picture of the above here: http://edome.fi.soneraplaza.net/php/picture.php/artikkeli_ilmailupaivat2001/herrat1.jpg

Full article: http://edome.fi.soneraplaza.net/php/article.php/1004453490.html

Any chance of an English translation to that article?

[Duedel]

Wow, interesting posts.

 

Originally posted by Maverick:
... and go find a flight school. Get some lessons and preferably LEARN to fly for REAL.

   ROTFL I'm afraid of flying (NO JOKE)  
Every time i sit in these f*§$ing jets i pee in my pants. The only medicine for me are 5 Whisky Coke before starting and one drink for every hour flying. Maybe i should better order one PanGalactic Gargleblaster (thanks Raubvogel)

So, good suggestion Mav but not for me  


 

Originally posted by LePaul:
I'd have to say that for the most part Aces "feels" the best to me  

Yep, i agree. For me it feels best too. But as i stated before i've no idea whats "real"

To Grendel: very interesting post but i dont understand nothing of this artikle too.
Please could you post an english (or better german   ) translation.

Duedel / Düdel

[Blue Mako]

Originally posted by Raubvogel:


PanGalactic Gargleblaster  

Sass that hoopy frood, he knows where his towel is.

[Grendel]

Originally posted by LePaul:


Any chance of an English translation to that article?

I'm not translating the article in English, but there will be a photo gallery and english report from us sim freaks' viewpoint. I'll post url to it when it is done  

[Dawvgrid]

PanGalactic Gargleblaster

 

in Danish Pangalaktisk Galdeknalder  
Also a Hitchhiker  

[phaetn]

Duedel wrote:
 

Every time i sit in these f*§$ing jets i pee in my pants. The only medicine for me are 5 Whisky Coke before starting and one drink for every hour flying.

And those don't make you pee?!?  

Lots of interesting responses in here.  Nice and civil, too, not sure that you'd have had as many pleasant replies at AGW. <G>

Having flown all the online flight sims, and being current in most (with the exception of AW which may not be with us longer) I'd have to say that Westy was right on the money: It's the one that most helps with your personal suspension of disbelief that's the best.  That is -- it depends on you more than the game itself.    

Uh oh.  I think I hear a discussion of Oscar Wilde and the nature of art brewing up.  

Seriously, for some it's cool graphics, others it's flight modelling, for some a realistic combat environment, and for a whole bunch of people its about community and where their friends are (a whole whack of people played Air Warrior for a very long time when by all accounts it was behind in all areas but community, but -- combined with price -- it was enough that they were reluctant to leave). All the sims differ in these areas.  

Personally, I like the way AH combines a lot of stuff well to make for a cool overall experience.  I miss my squadies from WB like the dickens, though. [sniff]  On the other hand, other people don't like HTC's generic cockpits and that's enough to turn them off.  So be it, they don't bother me.  It's very subjective.  I simply love AH's viewing system because it's so versatile, and for me that equates to realism.  For others it doesn't...

WBIII looks really pretty, but I don't like the mushy controls though they are less troublesome to others. AH has come a long way in a short time and right now it's tops for me.

IL-2 Sturmovik, while very cool on a lot of fronts, simply won't have the massively multiplayer aspect of AH unless they make a new game based on the same engine. In terms of boxed sims, I think it will be the new benchmark.

Remember, AH is only a 22Mb download.  It packs one hell of a whallop per MB.  Or, to quote from HTC's main page:

 

The title strikes a near-perfect balance of detailed flight simulation married to enjoyable game play.  In short, Aces High throws one hell of a party!"   Dogfighter

He he he.  

Cheers,
phaetn

[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: phaetn ]

[Dago]

Kweassa:


 

I saw a video clip of a Boeing-747 doing a barrel roll once... Sooooo... yeah... if a 747 can do a barrel roll, sure, why not? A C-47/DC-3 might do a loop

I am pretty sure you didnt see a film of a 747 doing a roll, what you saw was a film of Tex Johnson rolling a 707.  Its a pretty famous film and stunt, he did it when Boeing rolled out the 707 in Seattle and demonstrated it to the airlines.

dago

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Kweassa:
I saw a video clip of a Boeing-747 doing a barrel roll once... Sooooo... yeah... if a 747 can do a barrel roll, sure, why not? A C-47/DC-3 might do a loop  

Blenheim could loop ;-)

Eino Estama, a Finnish BL/Ju88-veteran, told about the occasion when he decided to make a loop with the Blenheim with his bombardier. Or course they didn't tell anything to the gunner back there. And he pulled such a "lazy" loop that the gunner was hanging upside down in his post, hanging from loose belts ;-)
 http://www.compart.fi/icebreakers/WW2History-OuluVeteransEnglish.html  http://www.compart.fi/icebreakers/WW2History-EstamaBrothers.html

[Creamo]

What Dago said. Wait, did I just say the “D” word?

Anyway, he’s right.

And on a related note, one day I got a call from Maintenance Control, and they informed me to pull the Flight Recorder from a Jetstream31 on the flight line and do a hard landing inspection. As it was a slow day, I said “Sure! No prob, already done, take it easy.” And promptly went about the task to do it and change flight recorders.

The subsequent major inspection showed no signs of overstress which involved a lengthy process of removing panels to the wing spare etc., and of course the flight data recorder changes and ops checks.

Turns out, a reposition flight from one city to the next several flight legs ago had a 2 man crew and one deadheading captain on board. Apparently the captain on board knowing he had no passengers decided to do a nice barrel roll mid flight. Needless to say, the deadheading off duty captain in the back was not impressed. He called the FAA. Hence the call to me later in the day to pull the recorder and make sure nothing was stressed.

Well to make a long story short, I flew to Sacramento for the official court case where they stripped him of his wings. The lawyer pre-trial briefed us and the flight recorder showed a perfect 0 G barrel roll. He didn’t even spill his drink.

And when I got back, I was reprimanded for “Not inspecting the aircraft.” I was told that I said “it was already done” when mtx control called me.

Moral of story? Good pilots are GOOD, but it’s these cowboys get in trouble.. And always say like a mechanic hick, “Yup, I’ll do that when I have a chance, a, duh.”

True story. Carry on.

[ 11-03-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]