Author Topic: He-177 a good German Medium bomber (Read 674 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2002, 02:29:03 PM »

Wilbus,

Ju88A-4 is a post-BoB bomber. The Ju88A-5 saw service in the BoB, but it had less powerful engines IIRC.

The only problem with only having the Ju88A-4 for BoB scenarios is that it makes all of the German bombers slightly better than the best few German bombers in the real thing.

Keep in mind, in AH attacking bombers is already harder than in reality because you're matching your fighter's speed (355mph for the Spit I, 416mph for an Fw190A-8) against the bomber's top speed (~280mph for the Ju-88A-4, B-17G) where in reality the bombers would be cruising at about 180-200mph. That is giving the bomber a whole hell of a lot more time to shot at you when you make any sort of rear attack, including a dive from above and behind.

Wotan · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2002, 03:29:43 PM »

he-177 will die just as easy as any of the other buffs.

Theres nothing special about it. It wont last but .5 seconds longer in the air the a lanc or b17 or ju88.

Buffing in the main is a pointless excersive any way.

He-111 not only gives us a scenario buff but gives us something for the ct other then late war and fantasy set ups.

Peggies die just as easy with 20mm as they would with 7.9mm..

Hell go all out ask for a he-277

I dont want any more buffs............

I would rather seee more fighters all round...........

My squad which flies fighters 9 out of 10 sorties finishes near number 1 in buffs every tour. We dont do that because of the guns on the buff. We can do it in ju88s or do 17s or what ever.

I dont see how the axis are missing out on a hvy/med buff........

Even before 110s jaboing is the way to go..........

Wilbus · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2002, 03:54:20 PM »

A flight with 10 B17's is HELL OF alot harder to kill then a flight of Ju88's.

Sure a single buff won't last very long, but a He177 would give LW a big punch both vs planes and the ground, AND it can be used in scenarios.

He111 would only be used in early war sceanrios, which we don't see many of (maybe we will now with new plane setup though)

Dowding · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2002, 05:05:43 PM »

I was under the impression the Tu-2 development was postponed indefinitely, but perhaps things have changed now.

I think there should be a later war He-111 or Ju-88 added, along with the Tu-2 and the glass nose mossie.

There are still gaps to be filled before the rare stuff should be introduced.

Perhaps when the He-177 is seen in the MA, we could have the Meteor III too.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2002, 06:59:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding

There are still gaps to be filled before the rare stuff should be introduced.

Perhaps when the He-177 is seen in the MA, we could have the Meteor III too.

Rare? How is 1,200 produced rare?

I'd love to see the He177, but I agree that the Japanese, Soviet, and Italian planesets need some more aircraft. Id like to see:

Tu2
P1008
G55
Mig3 or LaGG3
Kate or Val
A6M2

brady · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2002, 08:32:06 PM »

I have to agree with some of my breathern on this one, I would love to see the He 177, but I feal Russia( TU-2, I-16), Italy(G 55 or Re 2005, Cant Z 1007),and Japan( Grace, Ki 84, A6M2), and Great Brition (Wellington, Beaufighter) are a little more in nead of love right now:)

Wilbus · « **Reply #21 on:** March 18, 2002, 04:50:11 AM »

Yes, more italian, russian and japanese planes first. Specially Italitan, 2005 and a SM79

Duedel · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2002, 05:59:03 AM »

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Originally posted by brady
I have to agree with some of my breathern on this one, I would love to see the He 177, but I feal Russia( TU-2, I-16), Italy(G 55 or Re 2005, Cant Z 1007),and Japan( Grace, Ki 84, A6M2), and Great Brition (Wellington, Beaufighter) are a little more in nead of love right now:)

Thats exactly my point of view! Luftwaffe has enough planes for now. Add the P-39, P-40 and Mig3 or LaGG 3 to ur list and it's perfect

Staga · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2002, 06:32:39 AM »

Guys this thread was made for lobbying He-177. Start your own topics next time.

Thank you.

Seeker · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2002, 06:44:47 AM »

He III still remains the essential LW bomber, any WWII sim really should include both the He III and Stuka.

Staga · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2002, 07:02:05 AM »

wtf is He3 ?

Wilbus · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2002, 07:47:54 AM »

He III gave me a sudden brain stop too

He 111

Wanker · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2002, 10:17:00 AM »

Considering that HTC just released an almost complete BoB planeset, I wish they would just get it over with and finish it by adding the HE-111 and Stuka. One could argue that the planest would not be truly complete without the DO-217, but close enough in my book.

My only criticism of HTC and the way they release aircraft, is that they never seem to completely finish a particular genre planeset before heading into a different direction. But I know they have their reasons, I'm sure it's not as easy to do as I make it out to be.

Dowding · « **Reply #28 on:** March 18, 2002, 12:05:49 PM »

Compared to the Ju-88 and He-111 production figures, I'm sure the He-177 was rare. I'd rather see the back-bone of each AF in there, even if the version chosen was fairly rare, before lesser produced types are introduced.

Ageed banana. I so want to see the Stuka in AH. It's the perfect scenario plane and the G- version might get used in the MA.

Staga · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2002, 02:30:44 PM »

Aw heck...
Maybe HTC could model Blenheim and SB-2 too; Those were widely used in beginning of the war.
Why should HTC model a Tu-2 when Russians could have SB-2M with whopping 600-1000kg bomb load and 280mph top speed? I'm sure it would see lots of use in scenarios too thought no'one would use it in MA I believe...