Author Topic: Dad takes blockbuster to video store... (Read 1998 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #75 on:** March 22, 2002, 04:33:29 PM »

I think the Dad deserves a parade and a medal!

So many young thugs thinks it's cool to be a banger, give the youth better role models, show them they can get glory and praise fighting the good fight.

The NRA should take this one and run with it - best ad to own a firearm and a permit I've seen in a while.

Bet their homies think twice before pulling a similar stunt.

midnight Target · « **Reply #76 on:** March 22, 2002, 04:49:15 PM »

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Are your sons armed robbers too and you are worried?

Excuse me for mistaking the tenor of your post. It seems less sympathetic and more accusatory, but I will accept your intention as opposed to my perception.

Maybe I do have a different view because of my sons. But that is not my point.

Yes they were bad, they had guns, yadda yadda....agreed. They were still teenage Americans and we all should shoulder some measure of responsibility in our loss as a Nation. We should never write off anyone that young as an "animal" or any other dehumanizing notion. It is a sad thing that another young man is dead. Even if he deserved to die.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #77 on:** March 22, 2002, 04:59:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick

As a retired Police Officer I can't fault the dad in any way.

I can fault the Dad if he returned to the video store, fully armed, locked and loaded, every night in order to exact revenge on the perps who had done the earlier heist. How do we know what actually went down when he was lying in wait in the Sci-Fi section right at closing time? I'm amazed you, a retired peace officer, could look at the scant perticulars offered up involving this case and declare the Dad absolutely blameless. Personally I would wait until I saw the complete police report accompanied by statements of witnesses before I'd exonerate anyone, but on the surface I'm inclined to agree with you based upon the published news reports.

Maverick · « **Reply #78 on:** March 22, 2002, 05:18:02 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target

Excuse me for mistaking the tenor of your post. It seems less sympathetic and more accusatory, but I will accept your intention as opposed to my perception.

Maybe I do have a different view because of my sons. But that is not my point.

Yes they were bad, they had guns, yadda yadda....agreed. They were still teenage Americans and we all should shoulder some measure of responsibility in our loss as a Nation. We should never write off anyone that young as an "animal" or any other dehumanizing notion. It is a sad thing that another young man is dead. Even if he deserved to die.

I shoulder responsibility for MY actions and those of MY son (while he is a juvinile) but I do not take ANY responsibility for actions that were FREELY taken by others. Those individuals had a choice. They CHOSE to commit a robbery. They CHOSE to use a firearm during the robbery. THEY are responsible for THEIR actions, I am not.

mrfish · « **Reply #79 on:** March 22, 2002, 05:23:55 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yes they were bad, they had guns, yadda yadda....agreed. They were still teenage Americans and we all should shoulder some measure of responsibility in our loss as a Nation. We should never write off anyone that young as an "animal" or any other dehumanizing notion. It is a sad thing that another young man is dead. Even if he deserved to die.

yeah right... too bad we can't dispose of more of his kind. our 'herd' is crawling and stagnant due to the fact that we pander to the lowest common denominator and tolerate little punk tulips like him. my city is crawling with petty thugs like him that make it crappy for the rest of us.

i feel the same way for him as i do for the bum that used to live on my block but died last month: good riddance.

Pongo · « **Reply #80 on:** March 22, 2002, 05:26:22 PM »

"Femwolf seems about as pro gun/self defence as Pongo. "It's for the children"... "
gman wishes cool stuff that that could happen to him.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #81 on:** March 22, 2002, 05:37:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Just for the record, I've had a weapon pulled on me 4 times, and fired at me twice of those 4 times. I carry a weapon in my car, and on my person when down town (Except when we go to dinner, due to firearms regulations in Bars). It DOES have an effect on you once you get the toejamt scared out of you.

Edit, "Twice in those 4 times" Forgot about the .22 rifle the little neighborhood kid fired at me in a temper tantrum.

Having a weapon pulled on you by your wife because you've been frequenting a gay bar qualifies more as domestic violence than a street crime, Ripper. You should be relieved that on the two occasions she fired at you she was aiming at your...uh...manhood, a target so small it would take a trained marksman to hit at 10 yards, BTW. Your biggest danger was that she might have blasted off a hemmerhoid or two, but so what? I'm sure you grow them back faster than a lizzard grows back a severed tail, so I doubt you've ever been in any REAL danger now, huh? Maybe you should divorce her.

I hope I'm never so fearful I feel compelled to violate state law by carrying a concealed weapon. I've run across people at parties like Ripsnort who have a 9mm or a .40 cal. and become bolstered through the empowerment these guns may offer them, I have watched them get a "power rush" and I'm a hell of a lot more scared of that kind of idiot who may have had a few drinks and feels like he has to get even with you because you cut off his Beamer at a traffic light than I ever will feel by some kid looking for quick cash by targeting a video store (although in all fairness I must admit I've never been involved in a video store robbery).

You guys think this was a great solution to a robbery in progress? Ask the Dad 5 years from now- 10 years from now- hell, 30 years from now about the kid he killed. Ask him if he still sees the look in the kid's eyes when he shot him. Ask him if he still remembers the choking sounds someone who has a chest wound makes as they're dying. Ask him if he was alarmed at just how much blood can spread so quickly across a tile floor and how it feels to have to walk through it...Sorry, guys, but killing someone haunts you forever. You all talk the talk, but obviously none of you have ever walked the walk.

Fatty · « **Reply #82 on:** March 22, 2002, 05:50:03 PM »

So Elfie, did you drop the conspiracy theory about the father being an undercover secret service agent employed by Jeb Bush assigned to racial cleansing? Haven't seen much about that lately.

midnight Target · « **Reply #83 on:** March 22, 2002, 06:02:41 PM »

I have decided to start my post with...THE SHOOTING WAS PROBABLY JUSTIFIED. Just to assist the challenged among you.

It is amazing to me how omnitient you all seem to be. You are sure that that young man would have continued with his life of crime and become human scum. The fact that there are hundreds of stories about youths turning their life around is irrelevent to you.

Sad, very sad that the death of another American youth is celebrated. Well, I guess you all can get some satisfaction in the fact that many more young men will die just like him. You all just maintain your personal responsibility and go on with your lives.

Please stop harping on this "the Dad was right" mantra. I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm saying you all are diminished by your complete disregard for the loss of another young man. You should be ashamed for celebrating that aspect of this story.

I'm out.

mrfish · « **Reply #84 on:** March 22, 2002, 06:15:22 PM »

so it's his age?

i mean is it because the phrase "another lost youth" sounds so scripted and heartwrenching that it must be true?

pretty "democratic-convention-level" hollow symbolism aside what about reality?

all a youth like him is - is a problem waiting to happen. i'm sick of the tired notion that everyone starts out wonderful and is only drawn to evil via some societal causation. some people are just no damn good and age is no excuse.

there's plenty of other youths out there that had the same chance to go wrong and knew better. not all of them learned that from their parents either. they are safer to reap the benefits of a free nation because this waste of space is no longer among us.

there's no garuantee of life in this world. he had a chance and blew it - that's nature.

people are so swayed by words and symbols "calling him an animal dehumanizes him" no the fact that he chose to disrupt the order of a lawful society makes him an animal. no wonder politicians have us by the balls - all it takes is a sappy phrase or a flag with an eagle infront of it and you'll swallow anything the feed you.

CavemanJ · « **Reply #85 on:** March 22, 2002, 06:56:17 PM »

MT I do my part. I try to raise my kids right and teach them right from wrong. Don't try to tell me I should shoulder some of the responsibility for those 2 thugs in Blockbuster.
MT go read what Apache and Maverick have written. That boy ceased being a boy when he walked in that door with a rifle with the intention to rob the store. They didna see the people in the store as people, they saw them as obstacles to be overcome.

I get such a kick out of Elfenwolf's repeated claims that Dad was laying in wait for the perps. What I got from the articles was that Dad started picking his son up at work after the first robbery happened. I'd probably do the same thing. I do not believe Dad was just waiting on them return, because there's no guarantee that they would return.
However, and God help me for this, I do agree with one thing.

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Ask the Dad 5 years from now- 10 years from now- hell, 30 years from now about the kid he killed. Ask him if he still sees the look in the kid's eyes when he shot him. Ask him if he still remembers the choking sounds someone who has a chest wound makes as they're dying. Ask him if he was alarmed at just how much blood can spread so quickly across a tile floor and how it feels to have to walk through it...Sorry, guys, but killing someone haunts you forever.

Like I said above, his life is forever changed.

Mav I'm curious about how many shots were fired. If he had emptied the clip it would be national news: "VIGILANTE FIRES WILDLY IN CROWDED VIDEO STORE".
Seems Dad was in complete control from what I've read, so I'd wager the number of shots fired is either 2 or 4. Depends on his practice/training I guess. I always double tap a target, but that's me.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #86 on:** March 22, 2002, 07:28:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
So Elfie, did you drop the conspiracy theory about the father being an undercover secret service agent employed by Jeb Bush assigned to racial cleansing? Haven't seen much about that lately.

Nah Fatty, we're still working on that angle, but Jeb Bush doesn't need the help of the Fathers of Florida to continue the policy of ethnic clensing- he still has the Florida State Supreme Court at his disposal.

Maverick · « **Reply #87 on:** March 22, 2002, 09:20:44 PM »

Cave,

I doubt we'll see much about this incident as it is just too positive for the media towards the use of a firearm to protect crime victims. As a matter of fact it didn't even make the news here in Southern AZ. and I'm not surprised. The local media here is so rabid about firearms the paper refuses to take want adds from private sellers for firearms.

As for wellandork, he is the only person I have squelched on the bbs. Creating static and slinging fecal matter just to create a reaction is not expresing a cogent thought. It is just another example of vandalism or "tagging", just on the bbs. I cover grafitti on anything I own and ignore it when I have no control over the tagged item.

Gunthr · « **Reply #88 on:** March 22, 2002, 09:43:11 PM »

"Femwolf!" Oh wow.

that is too much. I'm rolling on the floor over here. WTFG!

Tahgut, I'd love to see the look on your face looking down the barrel of that armed robber's shotgun. All your namby pamby crap would be draining right down your leg.

C'mon. Get real here, or are you trolling too?

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #89 on:** March 23, 2002, 05:42:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
"Femwolf!" Oh wow. that is too much. I'm rolling on the floor over here. WTFG!

Tahgut, I'd love to see the look on your face looking down the barrel of that armed robber's shotgun. All your namby pamby crap would be draining right down your leg.

C'mon. Get real here, or are you trolling too?

First of all, it wasn't a shotgun the perps were armed with. Second of all, you're damn right we'd be pissing our pants if someone aimed a gun at us. And thirdly, "femwolf" isn't THAT funny, is it? I thought "ellenwolf" was funnier.

Hey look, I love a good conservative argument, and for my money Mister Fish and Hortlund are very well thought out, well-stated and articulate and I enjoy their conservative points of view. I DO feel, however, that most of you other self-described conservatives should at least read the article you're responding to instead of looking at the responses to determine your point of view, and you, Gunthr, are right at the top of my list of brainless morons whose only view of current events is whatever Rush Limbaugh TELLS you to think. Thank God there's no trailer parks in my neighborhood, so we will never be neighbors.

Maverick claims he's retired law enforcement but every retired cop I know, including 4 of my uncles who have retired from everything from the CHP to various city police departments and county sheriff's departments, are opposed to this sort of "vigilante justice" based upon the fact most citizens either 1) aren't trained for combat pistol use or 2) are too emotionally involved to use good judgement.

I have a cousin currently working for the CHP, my brother in law is a Captain in the Sacramento, California PD, and I hang out with several sheriffs' deputies, state troopers and city cops, and EVERY ONE of them expresses concerns over motorists cruising around packing guns. IMHO if Maverick thinks "armed citizens" are a good idea then I'm glad he cashiered out. As for the rest of you Limbolites who feel cruising around town with a concealed weapon is a good idea then I can only hope you get busted, lose your handguns and have to work weekends cleaning our Nation's hiways. I'll be the guy honking, grinning and waving at you while you're picking up trash on the side of the road.