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Offline Tac

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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2002, 06:59:35 PM »
I think we're inherently stupid.

Offline Cabby44

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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2002, 07:13:50 PM »
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"Good and Evil are subjective points of view."

And don't forget "inherently foolish".........

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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2002, 07:24:21 PM »
Hey! Speaking of the devil....

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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2002, 08:59:36 PM »
If we are inherently selfish (and we may well be) why do we admire unselfishness?

Offline Sandman

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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2002, 09:21:14 PM »
Because being selfish is easier.
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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2002, 09:25:30 PM »
Having invented the concepts of good and evil, man is inherenlty inventive. as regards our behavior to each other we are inherently flexible, as most will treat others how ever we are allowed too.

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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2002, 09:26:44 PM »
neither.
we just want to survive and pass our genes. whatever it takes.

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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2002, 09:55:59 PM »
Define good. Define evil. I say man is man.

Offline Kieran

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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2002, 12:18:08 AM »
Evil, but you have to define "evil". Sinful as "evil", yes. Inherently diabolical and sociopathic, nope.

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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2002, 12:28:05 AM »
Is any man evil in his own eyes?

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Offline Elfenwolf

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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2002, 12:40:52 AM »
Man by himself is basically good- however, when we form governments and religions we commit evil acts in the name of goodness, ironically enough.

Ask Hitler if he considered himself to be evil, or Osama Ben Laudin, or Timothy McVeigh, or countless others who we consider evil. I'll bet all of them considered themselves to be good, and considered the objects of their displeasure to be evil.

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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2002, 07:24:27 AM »
Like I said, its all perspective.
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2002, 07:42:56 AM »
Horney....
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2002, 08:19:18 AM »
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Originally posted by mrfish
...how stupid is that? wouldn't being able to live worry-free vastly outweigh the short term benefit of stealing my whatever? it all comes back to stupid people. as long as they're around, that world is impossible without a police state.


 If I have something to steal and the other guy doesn't, how the heck does my worry-free living makes him better off? With little to steal, he lives worry-free anyway! If I can make more money per given time working then stealing and the other guy doesn't, why would I expect him to behave the same as me?

 He would be an idiot not to steal from me if I give him an opportunity. He would be an idiot to subscribe to my (or rather your) system that benefits me and you a lot but him not in the least.

 Look up the game theory in your math book. You will see that stealing is not an idiocy but an optimal strategy based on effort/risk/reward. The only way to modify his stategy is to modify effort, risk or reward of stealing.

 It's amasing how many scientists - physicists, mathematicians, etc. somehow decide that laws of nature only exist in their sciences but not in sociology, economy or psychology.

 What you propose as a working system is a wishfull thinking no more founded in reality then a legislative attempt to mandate the value of Pi to more convenient number.

 So do not hold you breath for the day we stop doing selfish things - it's contrary to the human nature.

 Apache,
 If by "good" and "evil" you mean selfless and selfish, then we are evil. An "evil" - selfish man who only cares for himself and his offspring/kin tends to propagate his genes better then the one doing wasting his resources on altruistic things. That should not be confused with cooperation - it may seem like altruism but really it benefits the participant.

 Sociobilogy is an established science - and this question is one of its centerpieces.

 miko

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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2002, 08:29:35 AM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If we are inherently selfish (and we may well be) why do we admire unselfishness?


 Good question. I say it's propaganda historically created by ruling circles of most societies to make sure serfs do not cause trouble and die willingly if needed. A human may be brough up to admire anything. Also I suspect much fewer people admire selfishness then you may believe - judging by their acts.

 miko