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Offline Skuzzy

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mrfish, your opinion needed on this physical issue.
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2002, 03:03:33 PM »
Well mrfish,..you are correct.  Mass of a static object is constant, but the weight can change if the gravitional force exerted on the object is altered.
Still this is measurable.  In order for the weight to change, the gravitational force on the object would either have to be changed, or the object's gravitional force would have to change.

In reducing weight, it is logical to assume the objects gravitational force changed to reduce the gravitational force exerted on it.
A further stretch would be the object altered the gravitional force being extered on it, either through bending the force around it, or allowing the force to pass through unabated by the density of the object, thus reducing the force exerted.

In any of these cases, the weight of the object could be measured.  You would have to test according to what you believed is happening.

A cascade of helium molecules over the object in question would show if gravity was indeed being altered.  Discounting surface tension, which you could do before applying the motion which claims to alter the effect of gravity a distinct pattern should emerge in the cascade of helium molecules.
It the weight has changed due to gravity being bent around the object, the helium molecules should reflect this.  Instead of flowing in a constant downward path, the molecules would part forming a cone pattern.  The amount of deflection could be used to calculate the amount of weight being removed from the object.

If the weight loss is due to gravity passing through the object unabated, the same stream of helium molecules would gravitate towards the object and a change in the surface tension should be apparent.

The question is; Is the ambient gravational field being moved around the object, through the object or being generated by the object in order to reduce the weight?
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2002, 03:22:16 PM »
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A cascade of helium molecules over the object in question would show if gravity was indeed being altered.  Discounting surface tension, which you could do before applying the motion which claims to alter the effect of gravity a distinct pattern should emerge in the cascade of helium molecules.
It the weight has changed due to gravity being bent around the object, the helium molecules should reflect this.  Instead of flowing in a constant downward path, the molecules would part forming a cone pattern.  The amount of deflection could be used to calculate the amount of weight being removed from the object.
 


wow that's pretty complicated, i'm not sure i could pull that off. i'd probably stick a cheapo sonic ranger on each side of that bad boy and see if it moves.

good enough for government work at least. guess it depends how much they pay you. :D

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2002, 05:11:20 PM »
Oh, that would work, but according to what I read, it could cause a deviation in the intended results of the operation.

I was trying to figure out a way to measure the weight change without disturbing the object.
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2002, 07:46:01 PM »
Well, as far as I know, there's still debate over gravity itself... my girlfriend is a PhD in Physics and working right now on the ESA/NASA Lisa Project, a cluster of 4 Microsatellites with a laser link that will empirically prove (at last!) the existence of Gravitational Waves (my gf's field of work), which itself could be the way to the Grand Unified Theory.

Antigravity assumes the existence of an antiparticle of a particle which is, itself, theoretical, the graviton (as mrfish said).

On top of that, it mixes a bit of superconductivity with centrifugal forces and electric fields... I mean, it's like a David Lynch movie, just with no explanation at all... erm well, as I said, just like a David Lynch movie :D

I'll ask Gloria about this article, but my quite uninformed opinion is that no theoretical evidence supports this "finding"... not relativity, not quantum mechanics.

I remain skeptical.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2002, 08:20:39 PM »
The way alien space ships travel is by diminishing the gravational pull of a host object and magnifying the gravitional pull of a far distant object. The acceleration would be immediate and the velocity would be virtually unlimited...once we can control the amount of gravitional pull exerted against and towards objects we will be able to travel anywhere in the universe and we will become accepted by the thousands- nay, tens of thousands- of distant lifeforms who have already conquered gravational forces.

Several alien cultures would be more than willing to help us with space travel, but we are considered to be primitive savages among the Celestial Union and as long as we refuse to disarm our nuclear arsinals and quit killing each other they won't share even a small crumb of their vast knowledge, such as a simple cure for genital warts. They look upon us with the same pity we might look upon a bananna slug being sprinkled with salt. It's facinating to see the foam, but My God, the inhumanity.

As world tensions rise we're visited less and less by space beings because the Galaxy is very succeptabe to a particular element of our nuclear arsinal, should, God forbid, we ever use them, and indeed there is a general feeling among the Celestial Union that it might even be in their best intrests to direct a couple of meteorites into Earth to take us out before we damage the entire Galaxy.

Thankfully beings so far advanced have abandoned Conservatism eons ago as being barbaric and cruel, and Liberalism...with its inherent values of goodness and compassion... is Universal, so the CU will leave it up to ourselves to determine our fate, but if launching nuclear weapons on Earth is imminent they will take us out first in self defense...but being good Liberals they will erect a monument somewhere (the Moon perhaps) attesting to the wasted potential of Earthlings, and their sorrow at our fate.

I personally have been abducted by alien spacecraft many times, and I've been in contact with two types of alien beings. My first abduction was at the hands of the Violators, as I called them, since they treated me like a lab rat and never spoke, prefering instead to probe my body cavities for hours on end, and these abductions occured almost nightly from the time I was 6 years old until I turned 14.

The Violators were very tall and wore "Caterpillar" ballcaps and smelled like beer. It was always dark when I was abducted and the examinations generally lasted all night. They ended when my Mom found out about these abductions and we moved to Wisconsin. The Violators were unable to ever locate me again, thank God.

Years later while harvesting peyote in the Sonora Desert of Mexico I had my first encounter with the Sillians. They were barely four feet tall, had slits for nostrils and large  bald heads. They were dressed in silver jumpsuits, and appearantly were guided to my bonfire in the desert as I cleaned my peyote buttons.

My initial fear as they landed their large disc-shaped spaceship was put at ease by their telepathic assurances that they recognized me as a special being among Humans and thus worthy of Alien contact.

They gave me a tour of their ship, I gave them some peyote buttons and before long we were all holding hands, dancing around the campfire and singing, although I couldn't actually hear their voices as they only communicated telepathically.

The Sillians and I have had contact many times, and once I even piloted their spaceship after sharing several fifths of Crown Royal, and believe me, you thought cheat codes could make a plane do incredible things? That spaceship could dip and shimmy like a nine dollar artificial lure. One other thing I liked about the Sillians was that they thought my BB posts were funny and they never squelched me the way some backwards conservatives have.

Unfortunately I haven't been visited by the Sillians since my admittance into the Betty Ford Clinic, but I hope upon my release I can hook up with my old buddies from outer space and maybe we can fly down to Mexico in their spaceship, find some peyote buttons and drink lots of Crown Royal and dance around the campfire.

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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2002, 07:48:50 AM »
I am with you Cyrano.  This experiment does indeed appear to assume gravity is a wave.

I thought about it last night.  If we assume gravity is a wave, then it is possible to manipulate the wave.

In this experiment, the claim is the object above the disc lost weight.  What if, in fact, the object did not lose weight, but the disc's own gravitational field was enhanced or changed which effected the object above it?

I am skeptical about the whole thing, but I do like a good theoritical discussion.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2002, 08:00:11 AM »
My head hurts.

I believe this can all be explained by that well-known mathametician, Jethro Clampit, in his simple, yet brilliant formula "naught + naught = naught"

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2002, 08:28:21 AM »
Good news is I didn't implode!

Bad news is I stink of dirty bong water because my anti-gravity bong failed :o


 Best news,  I was left mumbling meep meep all night :D