Author Topic: #$%$ IEN is harvesting our e-mail addresses  (Read 783 times)

Offline AKIron

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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2002, 05:44:44 PM »
Skuzzy is on the money. No surer way to increase the spam you're slimed with than to respond to one of those cancel here replies.

My mother and my daughters used to send me a lot of those web greeting cards 'till I convinced them they are a big source of spam.
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Offline aknimitz

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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2002, 06:17:12 PM »
LOL Wab

Offline Killjoy2

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2002, 06:47:10 PM »
I feel left out.  I didn't get iEN SPAM.

Let me check to see if my names still in the phone book.

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I got one, actually three of them.....
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2002, 06:52:36 PM »
Two to my Yahoo address, one to my Hotmail addy.

So, I called iEn's TechSupport (what a joke!!!!  They should look at HTC to see how tech support is supposed to be) and asked them to take me off the email list.
We'll see what happens now.
Just for fun, I still download the patches from WB3, and as long as iEn has their heads up their proverbial asses, HTC has nothing to fear from them.  An F86?  In a WW2 combat sim?  ROFL!!!!!!!

Thank the Lord hblair talked me into giving AH a try, or I might still me one of the iEn mushrooms who think being fed feces/excrement (nice word for toejam) is good for them...........

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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2002, 07:45:37 PM »
So how do spammers get your email address,...here are the more popular methods:

1)  Responding to a SPAM message will garantee you more SPAM than you can shake a stick at.  They take the email addresses and compile them and sell them.
2)  Registering a domain with your email address.  SPAMMERS have tools to gleen the email addresses from the domain registration databases.
3)  Some WEB sites extract your email address via Java scripts from your computer.  No firewall will help you here.  Porn sites are notorious for this.
4)  Blanket coverage using common user names.  If you have a common user name, spammers will hit you just by flooding a server with random attempts from lists of common names.  Then what does not come back with a "User Unknown" error is put into a list to sell.
5)  If you post to Usenet, your email address is in the header, and SPAMMERS have tools to extract that.
6)  If you purchase something from some sites, they sell addresses to get more revenue.
7)  If your ISP does not protect the mail server and setup security correctly, SPAMMERS can get the complete list of email addresses from the server.  You would be surprised how many ISP's mess this up and not just the mom and pop ISP's either.

These are the more popular methods for getting email addresses.  There are others, but not used very widely due to the amount of effort involved.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2002, 07:48:11 PM by Skuzzy »
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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2002, 08:08:17 PM »
Do you use ORBS/BlackHole, Skuzzy?  You can also subscribe to the service that lists all the dial-up IP ranges for the major ISPs (free subscription) and block any mail from those IPs since they shouldn't be sending mail anyway.

Sendmail is a wonderful toy.

I had loads of fun with it back when I was running the network for an ISP :D
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2002, 08:21:04 PM »
Saw something on TV the other day about an anti spam law Washington state has on the books. Supposedly if you can track down who the actual spammer is, you can sue them in court and recieve I think $50 per offence for private peoples and $100 for companies. Sorry, I'm old and can't remember all the details.

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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2002, 08:59:14 PM »
Soilent Green is People!!!

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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2002, 11:12:01 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2002, 11:30:55 PM »
Heard on the radio today that the FTC was going to go after Mass Emailers who do not give the Remove option, or do not honor it, are going to be taken to task

Dunno how true this is, heard it on the drive home....

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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2002, 11:37:36 PM »
Ain't like it's a big thing. Just block sender and you won't here from them again. I have a lot of people/companies blocked and a filter list with words like teen, money, credit, etc... listed. I get 100-120 spam emails a day (the price you pay for having a couple of websites) and over 2/3'rds of them go directly into the trash folder so I never see them. I had to LOL when hblair said he got 12 emails...hehehe. No offense hblair but I get that many every coulpe of hours.

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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2002, 11:42:47 PM »
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Originally posted by Skuzzy

3)  Some WEB sites extract your email address via Java scripts from your computer.  No firewall will help you here.  Porn sites are notorious for this.


I'm screwed...

Time to bolt everything in place and wait for the flood. :)

Offline Skuzzy

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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2002, 07:46:12 AM »
Puck, the ORBS/RBL service is no longer free.  It requires a hefty subscription fee now.  The couple that are free are way too tight about who they block.  One of the free ones blocks all email from Verizon's network.
You can no longer trust the name of the IP that looks like a user IP for dial-up, DSL, or cable as the stupid ISP's name the addresses all the same, whether it is a business account or a residential user.  SWBell, Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T all do this.  (See a pattern here,...frakin phone companies).

I ended up writting some tools that analyzes the logs, but still requires human intervention.  We actually check each entry in the log that is suspect before committing it to the block list.  Takes about 4 hours a day to do this.

As far as filtering goes, SPAMMERS have tools that forges the email header To:/From: lines and uses a rotating/random string of random length compromised of letters/numbers.  Makes it virtually impossible to block based on the To:/From: lines.  Subject line filtering works for a while, until one of the SPAMMERS figures it out and alters the Subject line.  Then they post that information to thier newsgroups and you are back to square one again.  
You can't filter based on domain names in most cases, as most SPAMMERS use yahoo.com, msn.com and hotmail.com as the domain name.

As far as IEN SPAMMING people.  They could have purchased an email list from many sources.

Oh,..there is one other Java script some sites run which can extract your email address book and send it to them.  This only effects people that use MS Outlook or Outlook Express which use the address book feature.
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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2002, 08:34:06 AM »
I don't like it when I can't send email because the mailserver rejects my mail because I'm a dial up user :(

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2002, 09:20:31 AM »
I use BrightMail to screen and auto-delete spam. As a result, very little gets through. Works well considering that it cost me nothing.

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