Batdog, that's more or less the point I was trying to make. Who initiates things isn't really clear, though it's probably safe to that it's Palestinians who want revenge for grievances. When they bomb a bus, than Israel responds with reprisals, and kills a bunch of the nutcases, along with whatever innocents happen to be in way (after all, all Palestinians look alike, as far as they are concerned... those with guns are given special preference, though). All this accomplishes is making that many more Palestinians ready to strap a bomb under their shirts and go sacrifice themselves in the name of revenge. Blood cries out for blood. Killing more Palestinians hasn't done any good in the past, and it won't work now.