Author Topic: What are the Isreali leaders thinking (Read 1274 times)

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #30 on:** April 07, 2002, 08:41:53 PM »

Good reading....he`s a true maniac,but that`s something everyone knows.Most of all the people who voted for him.
I guess Israel needed a maniac to deal with the maniacs.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #31 on:** April 07, 2002, 11:18:06 PM »

a maniac is a maniac freind to none threat to all.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #32 on:** April 08, 2002, 12:23:16 AM »

I think Patton was the same caliber guy.Did he do good for the allies in your oppinion?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #33 on:** April 08, 2002, 12:28:58 AM »

WOW

I like Sharon now! I like!

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #34 on:** April 08, 2002, 12:43:00 AM »

Patton was a soldier responsible to his superiors in a coherant system, excentric yea but advocating the killing of inocents and his own people i think not. you insult and defame his name using it in that comparison.

he was publicly made to appologise and then relieved of his command for insulting a enlisted man . your dude is massacreing civilions and wants to use nukes to prove a point (did i mention the genocide thing?)and got elected head of a government BIG difference

i respectfully pull out of this dissagreement my opinion is now set and yours is also. such is life. i really resent the patton comparison tho.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #35 on:** April 08, 2002, 12:55:44 AM »

Oh well.

I used to be a total leftist.Now I`m all out rightwing.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.

At least the guy is honest,no need to wonder about what might be in he`s mind.
Arafat on the other hand a damn liar,and I can`t understand how can anyone with their right mind can belive a word that dipshit says.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #36 on:** April 08, 2002, 02:13:41 AM »

Thought you might feel an empathy with Sharon, Grunherz.

He'd fit in just fine, down in the Balkans.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #37 on:** April 08, 2002, 03:04:16 AM »

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Five Israelis hurt in Ghajar
Five Israeli Arabs were injured Saturday evening when Hezbollah gunmen opened fire at an IDF post in the Arab village of Ghajar. Hezbollah militants also fired on two other posts along Israel's northern border, one in the Western Galillee area, and one in the mount Hermon area. IDF troops returned fire.

An eyewitness in the Arab village of Ghajar said two or three shells were launched at the village. One of the shells hit a house and injured three people. The three injured people are all members of one family, including an three-year-old boy who was seriously injured and taken by helicopter to the Rambam hospital in Haifa.

What will You say when the IDF goes and hunts down these amazinhunks?Another evil move of the Nazi israeli regime?

They don`t even care about their own people.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #38 on:** April 08, 2002, 06:00:05 AM »

LOL

I don't want him there, but hell if he's causing a ruckus and a war someware away from where I am thats all fine by me. Far away wars are always good for morale and unity and should be encouraged. I can't wait till later this year when we hopefully attack Iraq! What a blast that will be!

But I guess the peaceful Brits of today don't quite get that now? How bout you go colonise some African nation again. I always thought Rhodesia had a better ring to it than Zimbabwe, I mean what knid of a name is Zimbabwe for a country......

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #39 on:** April 08, 2002, 06:30:57 AM »

I'm sure invading Iraq will be a laugh. Especially for you, my friend, sat thousands of miles away in a comfortable chair with CNN on the TV. I'm sure there'll be plenty for you to enjoy.

Now let's see. Colonisation of Africa began several centuries ago, whereas your brethren were slaughtering each other by the thousand only 7 years ago. At least the British could claim to have developed and grown from Imperial/territorialistic policy.

In the aftermath of Warlord rule in the balkans, can your compatriots claim the same?

Hortlund · « **Reply #40 on:** April 08, 2002, 09:02:06 AM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
and sorry hortland but what right do isreali soldiers have to give orders on palistininian land ? to forign civilian press ? in territory that they invaded and have no right to be on ? the isrealis are totaly shure we wont cut off their aid but the day is comming and they are so outnumbered and when we cut them off out gunned. hell even their own military is in rebellion ( or 300 troops ) have refused unlawful orders to invade teritory. who ever is in charge of them has lost it.

just my scared toejamless opinion i dont want to fight another war and definatly not for israel.

They have every right lord dolf. I posted this in another thread, it pretty much sums up the "who owns what" question when it comes to Israel and the palestinians.

Oh..and regarding your "Im scared and dont want to fight a war for Israel" there is a quote that I think is very fitting to the situation after 9-11. "Young man, you may not be interested in war, but I assure you war is interested in you." While you ponder those wise words I leave you with the legal aspects of Israel and her "occupied" territories.

Enjoy...

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You have to decide what country owns what territory before you can make bold statements regarding any occupation or "theft".

Before we even start, are you basing that statement on the 1975 Helsinki final act of the Conference of Security and Co-operation? Because if you dont, I want you to tell me who decides what country owns what territory. And if you base your statement on the Helsinki final act, where does that leave the Palestinians in their demand for a country of their own?

After you have made up your mind on what territory is occupied/stolen, and from whom? You can go on to the question which law is governing the alleged occupied territory, and if the answer to that question is the occupant, then what conclusions can be drawn from that?

IF you say that the territory is occupied or stolen by Israel, you MUST answer the question "who owned it before it was occupied". Now, lets suppose you answer that question with "Palestine". (Im gonna be real nice here, so instead of diving in on you after you answer that, Im gonna tell you what the problem is). Problem is that there never was an independent country named Palestine. You had a British protectorate, which was divided into two parts "Israel" and "Palestine". The part called "Palestine" was immediately conquered by Egypt and Jordan. The part called "Israel" survived. Everyone basically agrees that the "state" of Palestine never existed, Egypt and Jordan absorbed its territory. In another war 20 yrs later Israel conquered the territory from the new owners. Now I ask you, the West Bank and the Gaza strip... who owned it before Israel conquered it? Jordan, Egypt or "Palestine"?

If you claim that Israel occupies Palestinian territory, then you have effectively created a vaccum, because Palestine does not exist, and it has indeed never existed. That would mean that Israel "occupies" land that doesn't belong to anyone. And in such a case, the territory occupied is considered a part of the occupying country. Clearly you would not want that, so you must find some other way. How about Jordan then? After the 48-war, Jordan occupied the west bank and claimed ownership over the territory. Problem with that line of argument is that nowadays states never recognize aggressive warfare as a legal way to increase your country's territory. And besides, Jordan has stated that the river Jordan is her western border. That would mean that the west bank is abandoned territory, and thus it belongs to the country claiming it by occupation. And again, Israel owns the west bank.

Leaving all that legal complexity aside (its complicated huh…and no fun either), it should be pretty obvious that Israel currently "owns" the west bank. Israeli law is applicable on the territory, it is defended by Israeli armed forces, and no other country claims any legal rights to that territory.

You cant steal something that has no owner. Tough huh?

Steven · « **Reply #41 on:** April 08, 2002, 01:01:04 PM »

Hortlund, good quote there. Who wrote it?

[snippet] <<>>

Exactly. And the Turks owned the region before the British got hold of it, I believe. Syria took some of that land too, not just Jodan. So it seems the neighbors never really recognized "Palestinian" lands either. And it's becoming apparent to me that people don't realize there were already Jews in the area. The UN didn't just push "Palestinians" out and bus in a bunch of Jews. Yeah, there was a great influx after WW2, but there were already Jews there in an area not really owned by indigenous peoples. But as the British were leaving, the Jewish people in the region beat the Palestinians to the punch in getting their own country recognized. The day after that, Arab neighbors stole the "Palestinian" lands (partition.)

Wake up. This isn't about land. It's a religious hatred and quest for extermination of Jewish peoples.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #42 on:** April 08, 2002, 03:07:43 PM »

"Especially for you, my friend, sat thousands of miles away in a comfortable chair with CNN on the TV. I'm sure there'll be plenty for you to enjoy."

EXACTLY!

I sure hope they do another highway to Basra and get it all on tape this time so I can see it well and have good ole time!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #43 on:** April 08, 2002, 03:10:51 PM »

Uhhhm.....

Steven are you saying there were no arabs in that part of the middle east, that it was mostly just indigenous jews?

Do you have any idea how many zionist nazi jew terrorists invaded that area from just early this past century, not to mention the torrent after WW2.

Steven · « **Reply #44 on:** April 08, 2002, 06:49:39 PM »

Grun,

No and No.