What`s gonna happen?

[SageFIN]

Originally posted by Mighty1
babek- while I don't agree with what Sharon is doing I don't think you can compare him to Hitler.

AND if you think he is doing what he is doing because he wants more land then ..well ..you may want to look at where your head is.

Quite. He doesn't want more land, he just wants the palestinians off the land he already has. Or perhaps buried under it, as he has demonstrated before.

Also, I don't get the fuss about USA not doing this and not doing that. USA isn't exactly under any obligation to do anything in the area. Actually, I like playing with the idea of what would happen if USA would cut off all funding and other support to the area. I wonder if things would cool down or heat up.

[Tac]

What caligula said makes some sense.

I do see that happening, except for the part of the rest of the arabs in the world taking the martyr path (the fundamentalist radicals will, but not the rest), or the nuking of iraq.

If Saddam uses chemical weapons or bio's against troops invading him, the allies may drop a nuke if they confirm he's in a certain spot.. THEN they might nuke that spot. But it wont be a broadside of nukes all over iraq.. that would destroy the oil fields.

[babek-]

Originally posted by Mighty1
babek- while I don't agree with what Sharon is doing I don't think you can compare him to Hitler.

AND if you think he is doing what he is doing because he wants more land then ..well ..you may want to look at where your head is.

1. Hitler/Sharon (you could also add monsters like Saddam, PholPot,Milosevic in this row of mad leaders)

All these "leaders" manipulated their people to hate another people and to define them as subhumans compared to their own race.

So the comparison of Hitler and Sharon is legitime - it is also done here in the official german media.

2. Maybe you are the one who should check where the head is.

So you really believe that mad dog Sharon is doing these terroristic acts because he is hunting self-defined terrorists?

He pushes the illegitime settlement policy of the Great-Israel - idea.
 
By destroying systematicly the infrastructure of the new palestine state he delays the foundation of this state.
in the meantime he and his nazi-like hords could make facts by killing people, destroying their building and putting in new waves of settlers.

Just check WHAT the israelis have destroyed in the last months:
Police stations, factories, harbours, the airport, planes, hospitals, schools.
And they claimed that there were terrorists, terroristic factories and all the people they killed als have been terrorists.

The Nazi Reich used the same arguments when they eliminated their enemies and the civilian structures.
According to the Nazi propaganda polish terrorists attacked Germany - so Hitler had no choice to act.
Today we hear the same propaganda-lies made in Israel.

Its up to you if you want to believe it.

The 5th columns of the Reich in the foreign countries also liked to believe what Goebbels served them as the truth.

[~Caligula~]

You guys are just so diddlying blind.
Do You really think when the arabs are done destroying Israel ,they`d just mellow out?
Do You think they don`t consider the southern half of Spain theirs?
Do You think it`s really Israel and the jews they hate and not You and the very way You live?
They think the west is rotten to the core,and they need to destroy it.They only focus on Israel because it`s right in the middle of their world,and Israel humiliated them many times.
Do You think they really give a toejam about the palestinians?

These people have a 14th century mentality,and they`re getting their hands on 20th century weapons.
You guys just keep bashing on Israel (the country that had to fight terrorists for some 50 years now)and let the arabs get strong.
Sigh....

[~Caligula~]

The Nazi Reich used the same arguments when they eliminated their enemies and the civilian structures.
According to the Nazi propaganda polish terrorists attacked Germany - so Hitler had no choice to act.
Today we hear the same propaganda-lies made in Israel.
 

Are you out of your mind?
Do You dare to say these scuicide bombers are organized by Israel to have an excuse to overrun the west bank?
I guess You belive the planes crashing into the WTC were piloted by Mosad members too....huh?

You make me sick..

[Mighty1]

WOW!
babek-  If you really believe what you just said then there is no point continuing this .

[AKSWulfe]

All it's going to take is the destruction of a large part of one of those countries or the assassination of a powerful person or leader either intentionally or not.

Or the capitulation of one of the governments there leading to an uprisal in a rogue government and turning that nation's weapons against another.

This could either become very big, or will remain the way it has for the past 100+ years.... them killing themselves with reckless abandon.
-SW

[babek-]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~


Are you out of your mind?
Do You dare to say these scuicide bombers are organized by Israel to have an excuse to overrun the west bank?
I guess You belive the planes crashing into the WTC were piloted by Mosad members too....huh?

You make me sick..

I am speaking about manipulating and propaganda.

A few months ago the israelis proudly presented us a ship with iranian weapons for the palestine terrorist.

Now there was report in german TV that it is very doubtful that this event was real and its very likely that it is only a israeli propaganda act to legitime further actions.

Also there were reports that the so called facts which proves that the palestine police stations were terrorist centers are wrong and were put later there by the israelis who have destroyed these by Europe financeed buildings.

I compared these israeli propaganda acts with the propaganda action of Nazi Germany in 1939 to legitime the attack against Poland:
SS units had attacked the german town of Gleiwitz in polish uniforms and left dead KZ-prisoners in polish uniforms. Later they claimed that the german city was attacked by the polish army - so they had the right to act against the terrorists.

In both cases - the Nazi germany and the israeli one - propaganda and lies were used to justify a war.

Its absolutely OK that this makes you mad - because it is mad, what the german Nazis have done and the the israeli Nazis are doing right now.

And while I am wirting this the 2nd german public TV sender ZDF shows a franciscan monk who is in Bethlehem surrounded by Israeli troops accuses the israelis to be terrorists who have no respect for the sacred building and are shooting on them.

Maybe this priest is also mad ?

But it is much easier to watch israeli propaganda shows of the justified war against the subhuman and terroristic palestines.

Goebbels would be proud if he could see how good the Israelis have learned from him.

[~Caligula~]

propaganda?


I don`t care what your TV is telling You.
Your people murdered 6 million of mine.Do You feel guilty about it?
Is the bashing on Israel a way for You to justify what your grandparents did?Does that make the shame easier to deal with?

Comparing anything Israel does to the 3rd Reich is simply ridiculous.Had Israel wanted they could have invaded the whole middle east years ago.What a coincident:no scuicide bomber on 6 days.Did the palestinians decide that`s not how they`ll fight from now on?Or it`s because the IDF kicked the toejam out of them,took their weapons and destroyed their bomb factories?
I don`t care about that monk either.They should have never let the pals in the church.They harbor terrorists,and they have to deal with the consecvences.It`s war in case You haven`t noticed,and in war the goal is to destroy the enemy.Wherever he may be.

I tought Germany was a modern state,free of the old hatred and nonsence.
I guess I was wrong.

[Mighty1]

~Caligula~ your wasting your breath. He is in his own little world with no way out so you might as well give up.

[Dowding]

Once you start describing criticism as 'bashing', you've already lost the argument IMO.

Post disgusting pictures all you like Caligula, it simply detracts from any point you were trying to make. Also bare in mind some people on this board have witnessed the aftermath of terrorist explosions first hand - they don't need reminding. Especially by someone so obviously consumed with armchair indignation as yourself.

Is Israel comparable to the Third Reich? Not by any significant degree, IMO.

But Israel has a bigoted war criminal as its Premier. How can the civilised world do anything but condemn its actions?

[weazel]

Killing or deporting all palestinians from the so called "Holy Land", they will gather aound the campfire, sing Kumbaya, and live happily ever after.  

I hope their wells run dry and crops are blighted, write your congressman and senator and tell them to "just say no" to any more aid to the israelites.

Filthy animals.

[babek-]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
Your people murdered 6 million of mine.Do You feel guilty about it?
Is the bashing on Israel a way for You to justify what your grandparents did?Does that make the shame easier to deal with?

Do I feel guilty for that what my grandparents or anyone of the other generations of my family have done?

Surely not.

They maybe decided to cheer when the mad dog Hitler called the jews subhumans and started his terroristic and barbaric crimes against them.
They maybe decided to believe the Nazi propaganda that their enemies are terrorists and a danger for their race and have to be eliminated.

So they have the shame - a terrible shame, when they finally had to realize the truth.

But the same shame people of today will get when they decide to accept only the israeli propaganda and to tolerate or support their terroristic Nazi-policy against the palestines.

Maybe my grandparents used the same argumentations you did in this thread when they were defended the so called rightful treatment of jewish terrorists who were endangering the german way of life like you are trying to tell about the rightful treatment of palestine terrorists who are endangering the israeli way of life?

So - to come back to your question: I dont feel guilty - but how its about you?

[samu1]

Pardon my French but this topic comes up every diddlying day with the same old "Israel is the land of poor defenceless jews trying to defend themselves against the barbaric arabs" or "The palestiniains are fighting against evil Zionist Israel". This "war" has been going on since biblical times, and it ain't gonna stop anytime soon.  So why doesn't the rest of the world just leave them to kick the living toejam out of each other, and maybe one day in the future they'll actually stop the roadkill, realise that they are neibours and both have claims to the area, and just get along. As my grandad would (and still does) say, Sod 'em