Interesting Gallup poll

[Kieran]

Interestingly enough, one of Clinton's greatest weaknesses may have also been a virtue when it came to world politics. True or not, it was generally accepted the Clinton adminstration could be bought. Given a choice between outright conflict or backroom bribery, most countries will opt for bribery to achieve their goals.

This is not me saying Clinton accepted bribes, so don't ask for proof (Chinese campaign contributions?)- this is simply meant to state it put another option on the table for world leaders.

[weazel]

"If I only had a brain" from the Wizard of Oz.  

[Ripsnort]

George W. Bush grew up in Midland and Houston. Bush is a former F-102 pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. He received a bachelor's degree from Yale University and a MBA from Harvard Business School.

With all due respect Weazel, many thought of Chuck Yeager as a "local yocal" southern boy without a clue of aeronautical engineering...ones own projection of ones self can be misleading to their successfulness.   As you can see, I highly doubt that Mr.Bush if indeed a true idiot as in your interpretion, would have succeeded him thru Military Pilot training, a Bachelors degree, and an MBA from Harvard.  Now, I'm not sure if you yourself have ever been past Community College, but University College is a different animal.

[weazel]

Follow the bouncing ball.

I Love You, You Love me.......

[Dowding]

I'm sorry, but it would have taken a complete idiot NOT to capitalise on Sept 11. It's a fact that external crisis ultimately leads to greater approval from the electorate.

So Bush can't be that bad. He's only done what any leader has done in the past.

Surely it's 'No Alarms and No Surprises'?

[Thrawn]

Bush is an "at best" middling President.  Who happens to be President during chaotic times.

[Raubvogel]

I love it when folks from other countries grade our presidents.  What's the frame of reference?

FWIW, Bush has done more for me economically than Clinton ever did. It's about time military pay was brought a little closer to comparable civilian sector pay.

[lord dolf vader]

and how many of you are anything other than registered republicans?

remember the majority of the people in the country didnt want him as pres.

during no election have the majority of americans ever wanted anyone named bush in the presidency its a undeniable fact ( not that ya wont deny it ) holding hands and reciteing the party lind is cool just dont forget the truth. and the next election is comming and wars dont stay popular for long.

you read the quote about him smiling happy he got the trifecta. war national emergency and terrorist atack  and alot of other good ones.

http://www.lipsio.com/gainesvillehumanists/dubya.htm

``Lucky me. I hit the trifecta,'' Bush told [Mitch] Daniels shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to the budget director.
--Miami Herald, Nov. 29, 2001

just cant wait for the election to get a popularly elected pres. you may carry on backslaping till then. dont forget your clinton jokes.

[Dowding]

I love it when folks from other countries grade our presidents. What's the frame of reference?

History.

[Mighty1]

lord dolf vader that should be the majority of the people who voted.

When 1/2 the people in the country didn't vote(and probably never have or will)  then there is no way you can say 1/2 the country didn't want him.

Besides I'm betting that only 25% of The Republicans in the U.S. voted and the rest of the votes came from the dumb bellybutton Dumocrats who couldn't figure out how the machine worked.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
I love it when folks from other countries grade our presidents.  What's the frame of reference?

Do you grade baseball players? Or hockey players?

[midnight Target]

Another Clinton Joke:

[Wingnut_0]

the freaking same.

I read these boards and see the lines drawn but i gotta laugh, sry.  You folks argue back and forth over when their all scum sucking son's of squeak's.  

I could care less who Clinton scrogged or didn't scrogg while in office.  Regardless of how many numbers ppl wanna pull out, During the 8 years Clinton was in office the economy grew. Standards of living did raise.  

Bush....like was said earlier..he's popular cause of his stance after 9/11.   I'll measure him for his domestic policies and how that affects my living.  Cause in the end that's what most ppl care about.  

I just folks cause most of ur politicians are doing the same thing that other sides politicians are doing.

And Hortlund, that reference to the Cuban boy....that was the right move.  A country (more like the cuban mass in FL) have NO right to a child that has a willing parent regardless where he lives.  If that was my child and he was kept I would of killed anybody in my way to get my son back.....

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
I love it when folks from other countries grade our presidents.  What's the frame of reference?

As a frequent reader of these Boards I'm thankful for the imput of Aussies, Euros or any other region's peoples. I feel having a global perspective adds a different dimension to our discussions.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Wingnut_0
And Hortlund, that reference to the Cuban boy....that was the right move.  A country (more like the cuban mass in FL) have NO right to a child that has a willing parent regardless where he lives.  If that was my child and he was kept I would of killed anybody in my way to get my son back.....

Yeah... "the right move".

Look, I dont want to start a flame war over this, but humor me wingnut, answer the following questions:

1) How did that boy end up in the US? Did his mother give her life in the attempt to escape from a communist dictatorship with her son?

2) Do you think there might be a reason why the dad was not on the raft to the US?

3) What is your opinion about the reports saying that the dad was an abusive father (in the meaning that he used to beat the mother and the son)? Is that something you just discard as rumors or lies?

4) If yes to the discard as rumors or lies question above, do you think the same principle should be applied to all custody cases?

5) If a kid managed to climb over the Berlin wall in 1985, would it be right to just toss him back over because his mom or dad still was on the other side?

6) Did the boy have family in FL? (yes) What did he have left on Cuba? (a dad who used to beat him up and a grandmother) Where do you think the boy would have gotten the best life?

7) Do you think it is ok to send in SWAT teams to grab a kid from his relatives in the middle of the night? Do you really think that it is a good idea?

8) Do you have kids yourself?

If I was one of the relatives in FL who had that kid, and lost him that way...man...
Lets just say that I suspect that they discovered new degrees of hatred towards the Govt. You'll probably see them in the news again someday.