Author Topic: I want a b24 liberator (Read 681 times)

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #15 on:** April 17, 2002, 09:34:56 PM »

Some incorrect information: The B24 didnt have a ball turret and it carried almost twice the ordinance of a B17.

Puck · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2002, 09:52:05 PM »

B24 used the Sperry retractable ball turret.

Max bomb load of the B24D was 5,400 lbs, B24G was 4,500 pounds. The most common bomb load was 10 500s or 5 1000s, typically flying from 18k to 28k in ETO, lower in the PTO.

B17E carried 4,000 pounds of bombs while the B17G carried 12,800 pounds. Service ceiling was 35,000 feet.

I've seen a _lot_ of conflicting performance information for the B17/B24. Most of what I "know" my dad told me, the rest I looked up on the net and in various books. The B24 had that high Davis wing, which made it more susceptable to breaking during hard landings and harder to control. The Emerson nose turret adversly affected it's handling.

If you've got a better source I'm more than happy to toss my incorrect assumptions and cheer the B24

Beegerite · « **Reply #17 on:** April 17, 2002, 10:11:19 PM »

I want this B-24 Liberator in memory of the real men who flew her and disappeared over Yugoslavia on August 27th 1944 my second birthday.

This was given to me by a lifelong friend who never got to meet his dad who is second from right on the bottom.

Take a close look at the faces of these men, they died so we could live in freedom.

God Bless Them and The U.S.A.

Beeg

P.S. Yes, great nose art.

cajun · « **Reply #18 on:** April 18, 2002, 12:27:26 AM »

I think I've heard that story somewhere before... on the history channel or something I think when they were interveiwing some B24 pilot or gunner.

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Originally posted by Dux

I had a Drafting teacher in high school who flew them over Germany. If we could get him talking about it, he would forget to give us homework!

He told us one story of how they came back damaged and were going to have to belly land. Standard operating procedure is that you jettison the belly ball turret. Apparently the gunner was having trouble getting it to release, so he tried stomping on it.

You can guess the rest

Glasses · « **Reply #19 on:** April 18, 2002, 08:27:30 AM »

Yes I'd like to see a B24 , B25 and B29 in AH ,but not until the bombers get an Accurate FM ,not the gameplay concession we have now. If they do introduce a B29 I don't want it going fully loaded with bombs and fuel to 60k and still doing loops and tight turns and I'm afraid it won't be a cheap perk considering the unbalancing effect it would have.

lasse · « **Reply #20 on:** April 18, 2002, 08:42:30 AM »

The B24 and the B25 in 1.10 would be really nice, and a huge suprise too

But I hardly believe we will get those in 1.10, and never ever at the same time.
I might be wrong, but a while a go I believe that I heard Pyro say he hated the B25, but I might be wrong....

Anyway HTC, keep up the excelent work

:D:D

The Wild Vikings

Commanding Officer
Lasse

touchy · « **Reply #21 on:** April 18, 2002, 10:58:53 AM »

Just what is the service ceiling fo a b29? bomb load? what would make it so unbalancing? (besides nukes)

Puck · « **Reply #22 on:** April 18, 2002, 11:04:58 AM »

25,000 pounds, 32,000 feet, 375 MPH, 12 50 cal, 1 high velocity 20mm in the tail.

Enough bombs to take out 8 hangers with one left over, almost as fast as a fighter at altitude, and enough firepoer to kill anything that tries to catch up.

It would be a major monster to bring down in the main. Almost take a mission all by itself, but you'd have to catch it first.

fdiron · « **Reply #23 on:** April 18, 2002, 01:29:32 PM »

I never heard of a B29 carrying 25,000 pounds of bombs. I think it only carries 16,000 pounds of bombs. I am pretty sure the B29b only had a single gunner-tail gunner-. The rest of its turrets were removed. This may be the B29 that was able to carry 25,000 pounds.

Puck · « **Reply #24 on:** April 18, 2002, 01:42:55 PM »

AIUI The "standard" load was 20,000, max was 25,000. Kinda like putting 12,000 in a B-17G. It'll fly, but it won't like it much.

YMMV. IMBTFU. HAND.

VWE001 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 18, 2002, 03:00:28 PM »

Specification of the Boeing B-29 Superfortress:
Powerplant:
Four Wright R-3350-23 Duplex Cyclone eighteen-cylinder air-cooled radial engines each with two General Electric turbosuperchargers, delivering 2200 hp for takeoff and having a war emergency rating of 2300 hp at 25,000 feet.
Performance:
Maximum speed 357 mph at 30,000 feet, 306 mph at sea level. Maximum continuous cruising speed 342 mph at 30,000 feet. Economical cruising speed 220 mph at 25,000 feet. Initial climb rate 900 feet per minute at combat weight. An altitude of 20,000 feet could be attained in 38 minutes. Service ceiling 33,600 feet. Maximum range was 3250 miles at 25,000 feet with 5000 pound bomb load. Practical operational radius was 1600-1800 miles. Maximum ferry range was 5600 miles, rising to 6000 miles with the extra fuel.
Weights:
74,500 pounds empty, normal loaded 120,000 pounds, maximum overload 135,000 pounds.
Dimensions:
Wingspan 141 feet 3 inches, length 99 feet 0 inches, height 27 feet 9 inches, wing area 1736 square feet.
Armament:
Twelve 0.50-inch machine guns in four remotely-controlled turrets (two above and two below the fuselage) and in the tail, each with 1000 rounds of ammunition. In addition, early production blocks had a single rearward-firing 20-mm M2 Type B cannon with 100 rounds in the tail position. Later, two more guns were provided for the forward top turret. Maximum internal short-range, low-altitude bomb load was 20,000 pounds. A load of 5000 pounds of bombs could be carried over a 1600-mile radius at high altitude. A load of 12,000 pounds of bombs could be carried over a 1600-mile radius at medium altitude.

Shane · « **Reply #26 on:** April 18, 2002, 04:44:19 PM »

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Originally posted by majic
How would you suggest I imagine a B-29?

in some other game.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 18, 2002, 05:40:03 PM »

doesn't the b24 takemore load as the b17?
it got a much bigger baydoor for instance

Lizard3 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 18, 2002, 08:26:20 PM »

B-17 6,000
B-24 8,800 or 8,000 depending on source

B-24 "was built in bigger numbers than any other American aircraft in history, in more versions for more purposes than any other aircraft in history, and served on every front in WWII and with 15 Allied nations." (19,203)

"...the Liberator Production Pool- made more than 18,300 Liberators, about 5,000 more than the total number of B-17's. The B-24 was not operational before WWII and was not operational after the war... The total number of people involved in the making of it, sevicing it, and in flying the B-24 outnumbered those involved with any other airplane, in any country, in any time. There were more B-24's built than any other American airplane ever built."

Taiaha · « **Reply #29 on:** April 18, 2002, 08:41:00 PM »

Great attempt at a hi-jack guys, but this is about the B24. You want to talk about the uberbomber, start another thread!:)

I might quibble with Puck's figures, but not seriously because like Puck, I can't seem to find two sources that agree on performance stats for either the B17 or the B24.

Max bomb load for the B24H/J (the one we would want) is listed variously at 8,000lb, and 12,800lb. As for the B17G, one source lists the max bombload as 17,600lbs!

But whatever I've looked at, one thing is clear. The B17G we have in AH is carrying a pretty damn small bombload. Even if bombers rarely carried the max, 6,000lbs still seems pretty small to me compared to both recorded mission loadouts and theoretical capacities (in fact 6,000lbs is often listed as the maximum for the B17F). So if we just had the capability for more ordinance in the B17, the whole B24 thing would probably go away. In fact, so would the Lanc, and even requests for the B29. Because we'd basically have a bomber that was capable of putting the hurt on in a serious way (like the Lanc) but is defensible and slow enough to stop people whining that they can't catch it.

However, before I get too carried away here, can someone point me in the direction of authortitative bomb load totals for say, the B17G, and the B24J?

Incidentally, can someone tell me why the B17G we have is missing the machine gun in the radio operator's compartment (although this version is definitely one-step up on the one in WB, which was missing both the radio operator's gun and the cheek guns).

(BTW: interesting fact about the B24D. Its internal armour protection was so bad that there are numerous reports of waist gunners being killed or maimed by rounds from head on attacks travelling through the fueselage).