Author Topic: Lets talk about France (Read 1390 times)

Maniac · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2002, 04:10:12 AM »

Quote

However you have yet to define "non racist"?

An person who dont give an damn if ones neighboor is black, white or yellow?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2002, 04:14:13 AM »

Still no definition......

And all my are neighbors are asian and hispanic by ethnicity, I don't mind, I love my neighbors, they are good people.

You still don't get it and fearfully cling to comfortable postion of calling me a racist.......

Maniac · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2002, 04:18:54 AM »

Quote

And all my are neighbors are asian and hispanic by ethnicity, I don't mind, I love my neighbors, they are good people.

And yet you dont want em living in europe? im confused... Please explain...

Repost of the post that you dodged :

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am angry though very angry at how race is used against me and people like me.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please give me an example on how it have been used against you...

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
. Our history identity and ethnicity has been so oppressed and attacked from within and out while all the worlds other groups have pushed for more and nationalism and self-determination
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please give me an example, because i dont "identify" with this quote above..

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
. That's ok I have new ideas and a different viewpoint that many people find uncomfortable and difficult to understand
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please, you are not saying _anything_ NEW, sorry to burst your bubble.

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Basically I’m sick of people like me being accused of racism while I have never hurt anyone in such a way during my life
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By saying "i dont want (insert ethnical group here) to live in Europe" is indeed racist...

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2002, 04:45:41 AM »

And once again the PC hysterics emerge from the walls. Ready to strike down on anyone foolish enough to break their unspoken code... Morons

I was asking:who`s the moron me?,or Grunherz who thinks the majority of emigrants coming from Cambodia and vietnam.
But you tend to think im a moron,since I dont agree with his wiev`s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,correct?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2002, 04:49:52 AM »

Sure!

I see Europe and America as quite different. American culture has always been a culture based on integrating people of different cultures and now races into a new thing. America is very unique in that way, very unique. It is not an ethnically based nation, not like pretty much every other nation in the world- it's culturally based- you act American so you are American.

Europe as an area is, as are most "nations" ethnically based. Let me give you an example. This weekend I had a discussion with a Chinese friend of mine (surprised?

). It had to do with what it meant to be an American. So posed this argument to him:

If I (a white guy) were to move to China, decide to live there, and learn Chinese and become a permanent resident and citizen of China. Then I met you on the streets of Beijing- and you asked me where I was from, and I answered, "I'm Chinese"- how would you (Chinese guy) feel.

His answer: Awkward.

Now I asked him if he was to remain in the US and settle here errantly and become a citizen and so on. Then if we met on the street in San Jose and I asked him where he was from and he said, "I'm an American", how would I feel.

His answer: Ohhh!

(With a genuine look of sudden revelation on his face!)

And that’s what’s different between America and really the rest of the world- it readily accepts other people because its culture and identity are based on these inputs and differences, not a shared ethnic history like very other nation on earth.

Now as to what I want in Europe. I certainly don't want a Europe for Europeans and with Europeans only- but I certainly want a strongly European Europe. Europe has a strong and genuinely rich European history just like every other ethnically based nation in the world and I want it to stay that way. I want a European Europe, a Chinese China, and a Japanese Japan just as I want a Mexican Mexico and do so. All our cultures are important and they should be preserved and preserved as independent ideas. If we were to all just attack and suppress parts of other peoples cultures that "we" (whoever we is) find offensive than all our cultures will disappear and be replaced with an indeterminate wishy washy mass of nothing with no heritage or culture or character. A very boring one world with no variety......

As for European immigration issues, I think ant political group that provides such lavish benefits to anyone who wants them and shows without seriously stated expectations of contribution up is simply nuts.

No as to how I come across, I understand how what I say and perhaps to a large or larger extent how I say it can make people very comfortable to call me a racist. It's a part of I initially come across in the current time. All I can say is this:

I am different, my ideas are new and unusual and you will begin to understand me only when you accept, in your mind and heart, that I am not racist.

If you come from this perspective you will begin to see what I mean more clearly.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** April 23, 2002, 04:53:03 AM »

As for me saying Cambodian or Vietnamese or whatever they were just random examples. I never meant to say they were the main immigrant poulation of Europe. My understanding is the main immigrant popultaions are African, Middle Eastern and now some more Asian.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #36 on:** April 23, 2002, 04:59:21 AM »

As for how "race issues" were used against me and how european culture is attacked well just read up on fashinable intellectual ideas of today.

How about this. First day of one of my history courses. Proffesor says. "I hate the British and Europeans and the first thing I would do is abolish Columbus day because he was a racist and a genocide instigator"... How lovely and objective...

As for race being used aginst me. Something like this: "You're whit you cant understand what it's like to feel racism because only white's are capable of it". This was something said to me in person and apparently quite popular in society today.

There is a couple.

Maniac · « **Reply #37 on:** April 23, 2002, 05:31:11 AM »

Quote

Europe has a strong and genuinely rich European history just like every other ethnically based nation in the world and I want it to stay that way

Stay that way? i dont see it changin... Will European history get lost due to immegration, no i think not.

If you had posted your last post first, then perhaps your views would have been recived differently. But you posted alot of "knee-jerk" reaction stuff earlier.

Why shouldnt Europe strive for being more "american" multi-national? i thought you liked America... Why should Europe be different?? because of Europes history? is that what you saying?

-dead- · « **Reply #38 on:** April 23, 2002, 05:39:03 AM »

Ahh the immigrant who wants to cut back on immigrants. Why do the words pot, kettle & black dance in my head?

Quote

I have no problem with multiculturalism in America, in fact its one of our strengths here, but Europe had a definite culture and definite history and definite ethnic history as well.

Any bets on whether the guys who were in America before the Europeans showed up reckoned that they "had a definite culture and definite history and definite ethnic history as well"?

Quote

Yes I want Europe to remain European I don’t want it full of Cambodians and Moroccans and Vietnamese much in the same way Moroccans, Cambodians and Vietnamese didn’t want their homelands to be taken over by Europeans.

Hmmm would the original Europeans please stand up? So the Moors are out - which begs the question: does the Grunherz "European" include the Jews & Gypsies - or are they yet more non-european undesirables, 'oppressing and attacking from within and out European history identity and ethnicity while all the worlds other groups have pushed for more and nationalism and self-determination'? How about the Turks? The EU is considering their membership - but they aren't in the EU - but then lots of countries in Europe aren't in the EU. How about Russia - is that Europe too?
How far back are we going too?
The "European" languages supposedly have a common root with Indian languages - and if we go back a bit further we're all supposed to be African originally aren't we?
If I recall correctly, the neanderthals lived in Europe for quite a long time before our ancestors showed up. So perhaps there should be a neanderthals only policy?
If we go back 0.01% of the planet's history what do we find? Ooops - sorry no humans at all.

So really Europe should have a no humans policy to best preserve its "history, identity and culture" against immigrant culture - after all it had no humans living there for 99.99% of the time. Viva Purity!

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2002, 05:39:37 AM »

First of all,I haven`t called you a racist.
But I think you are wrong,when you claim that it´s people like
Le Pen,who`s gonna "save" Europe.
Im gonna ask you directly "do you agree with Le Pen and his politics".
And do you know that the same guy called the deathcamps in
Germany "a minor historic detail".
There his been several incidents where he actually attacked his political opponent.
Is this the guy you wants to represent France.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2002, 05:44:43 AM »

Yep I do that knee jerk reaction garbage too much; it's one of my greatest faults as a person. If I hurt anyone I apologize.

I do like America, a lot in fact. However I don't think the entire world should be like America. There should be some variety from country to country.

As for immigration diluting European culture that’s a touchy subject for sure. My fear is more on the basis of the newcomers disrespecting Europe’s culture, not learning the languages, then also demanding Europeans change and suppress aspects of their cultures because the immigrants don't like it. This is where Europe (and the whole world) differs from America the most. They have specifically defined cultural ideas tied to ethnicity and a national/cultural/group/tribal identity. America largely has a cultural identity.

I want the world to preserve it's distinct cultures, this is what makes it interesting.

Eagler · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2002, 05:55:09 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Hangtime
whelp, i guess i'll try and avoid the places where the scumbags don't.... err umm.... 'can't' count.

(opens hagstrom, draws big red 'X' on florida)

Hang
We Florida Republicans can count just fine
It was the Florida Dumocrats that had issue with the numbers. Given the average FL dumocrat didn't finish public high school, makes perfect sense .... but thanks for lumping us all together

The way I see it, the entire country owes us hard nose FL Republicans. If it was just about any other state, we'd have goron and his slick willie rejects trying to run the show. ... can't image.

As for France, sounds to me like they need someone that far right to bring the average somewhere near the middle from the far left it's been at for a while now. Seems a large portion of the french pop thinks so too

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2002, 05:59:31 AM »

No I don't support Le Pen directly. He has serious problems with historic fact and seems just like a version of Pat Buchanan. The holocaust in WW2 is not a minor point in history.

However I'm very happy that a good number of people in France are seeing the problems associated with their permissive social and economic polices and of course on some permissive immigration issues.

Anyway he won't win and the events serve as sign of things to come and hopefully a swing to more reasonable/balanced policies in the future. He is an extremist but a lot of people are drawn to that so I'm sure more reasonable people will emerge to appeal to a wider section of society along these lines.

And -dead- I have no idea what the point is of anything you just said. What’s the point of saying that we all come from Africa? Of course we do..... Humans evolved in eastern Africa about 3 million years ago and spread across the world? Thanks for that simple fact of science what’s the point?
And yes European and Indian languages are closely related, so what? That means we share a common history? Does that mean Britain was right in colonizing India? No!
What about the Turks, they are a bridge between Europe and the Mid East, they are a part of that common history. What about them?
And yes the Moors invaded and occupied Spain and added many features we commonly associate with Spanish culture today, and then they were kicked out by the Spanish.
So what?

Oh as for my criticism of overly generous European immigration policies being hypocritical because I’m an immigrant to the USA.

Well just ask how easy it was for us to get here and just how much social support and welfare the US govt gave our family upon arrival, not to mention the guaranteed housing and money.....

Hortlund · « **Reply #43 on:** April 23, 2002, 06:10:48 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Humans evolved in eastern Africa about 3 million years ago and spread across the world? Thanks for that simple fact of science what’s the point?

Actually that is just a theory. <-- a FACT
Personally I think man is created, not evolved. <--Personal belief

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #44 on:** April 23, 2002, 06:12:14 AM »

That's fine, I happend to believe in evolution.