Author Topic: Perk bomber point awards too low... (Read 358 times)

TheWobble · « **on:** March 11, 2001, 09:06:00 PM »

I took off in a tbm and destroyed aBUNCH of a city tonight.

Reward: 3.75 perk points.

Then I took off in a Ju-88 and took a flak factory from 100% to 15%
Reward: 4.5 perk points

Then I hit NME base with Ju-88 and destroyed a FH and a few acks and a fuel bunker and rtb's

Reward: 2.75 perk points.

So basically even witht the most POS bomber (88) and a very GOOD mission I will hav to do over 22 missions to earn enough for 1 arado.

the arado is not that great of a plane,,,its fast..THATS IT,
Pathetic bomb load
Pathetic Climb rate
Pathetic Fuel economy
Pathetic/NO armorment.
Pathetic Armor

For a plane with only 1 good quality and SEVERY shortages in EVERY other area.70 points is a bit much.

Especally considering the Tempest cost the same amount...is the Arado to bombers what the Tempest is to fighters??? NO

Skysix1 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2001, 09:47:00 PM »

I agree! (of course)

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Chuck Perry
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skernsk · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:26:00 PM »

Don't look now Wobble but I agree also

Otto · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:45:00 PM »

Yes, I think the adjustment in 1.06 went too far the other way.

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576 Squadron (Bomber Command)- RAF

TheWobble · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2001, 11:14:00 PM »

Jigster · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2001, 11:38:00 PM »

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Originally posted by TheWobble:
fast..THATS IT,
Pathetic bomb load
Pathetic Climb rate
Pathetic Fuel economy
Pathetic/NO armorment.
Pathetic Armor

Other then reworking the object values some, the current value is pretty well balanced considering the amount of points some have accumulated. But some of your points don't really take into consideration the speed and scope in which they happen in the 234...

Okay the bomb load is pretty crappy, but 3 250kg eggs are the best way to go if your not out to pop a single hanger. I use it as simply a tactical bomber for hitting barracks, radar, and other tactical elements.

The climb rate is actually pretty good, if you consider the speed it can climb at. If allowed time to accelerate to indicated 300mph it with climb 1k all the way to 20k plus. That's about 400 true past 10k and that a whole lot of ground covered per vertical ascendence.

Fuel economy...why does everyone say it is so bad? It will go 12 sectors easy on a full tank, with 3 500kg eggs and full throttle. Thats 300 miles on the fuel multiplier, not that bad. And it will still climb at 1k/min at 300mph at throttle reductions up to 7000rpms, enough to extend range considerably. Also, the higher you go, the better fuel economy it gets, peaking out slightly above 20k. At this range you can go forever on 50% fuel, even at 100% throttle, provided your up to speed. It takes about 3/8th of a tank to get up there.

It doesn't really need armor or armament...with enough altitude you can out run anything at will. Tonight, I found a Tempest chugging alot at 15k and thought I'd play with him some...so I throttled down completely and let him catch up to 1.7k or so. Then put it in 30 degree dive and clobbed it, and quickly accelerated to @500 indicated with a 250kg egg still attached. Pulled out @ 10k and left the Tempest in the dust.

The only way to catch a speed 234 is with another 234...already killed 3 via ramming with my own 234 (and dying in the process, but I got the points needed to do so, and I'm evil)

- Bess

Hans · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2001, 11:40:00 PM »

Well, basically 1 kill = 1 perk point.

Your bomber is scoring 2+ kills a sortie. Thats not half bad, Wobble.

Just save your bomber perks for the B-29.

Hans.

TheWobble · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2001, 12:35:00 AM »

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Well, basically 1 kill = 1 perk point.
Your bomber is scoring 2+ kills a sortie. Thats not half bad, Wobble.

Average arado sortie returns .75-1.25 points so we will say 1
Average time for Arado mission around 10 miniutes

so if 10 miniutes = 1 point
you will have to fly for 700 miniutes in the arado to make enough points to buy one..
Thats over 11 hours in the air!

Average Ju-88 sortie returns around 3-4 points
so we will say 3.5
Average ju-88 mission takes approx 20 min

70/3.5 = 20
20x20 = 400 min
that about 6 and a half hours of in air time

Average lanc mission 6-8 points so lets say 7
average time for lanc mission 35-50 miniutes so lets say 42
70/7 = 10
10x42= 420
Thats 7 Hours of in air time

B-17 is comparable to lanc in hours and points average

TBM is similar to 88

B-26 is about the average between the lanc and the 17

Nothing under 6 hours.

Assuming ALL your missions are successful you will have to spend between 11 AND 6 HOURS IN AIR TIME to afford 1 arado.

Who wants to sit down and fly the Ju-88 for over 6 hours straight?

Who can fly an arado over 11 hours and not lose it??

in otherwords...unless you sit down and fly strictly bombers for hours a day (which most dont) you wont be able to afford but 1 arado a tour.

Now I agree that they whouldent be everywhere..but one per tour??

they are far from uber enough to be THAT rare.

The tempest rules, so flying alot to get one is not bad..but if you cannot afford the tempest there are a slew of other NEW and FUN planes you can fly and have fun with AND gain the points for the tempest... with bombers..guess what yer gonna spend about 80% of your time just sitting on autopilot and waiting to get there/back.

so yer looking at just watching the ground go by for around 5-7 hours (depending on yer score) just to buy a plane that is only somewhat better than the rest (and thats arguable)

at least with fighters your doing SOMETHING.

Either make the points rewarded for bomber missions about 3x what they are now..
OR lower the arado's cost to around 1/3 what it is now.

besides whos to say your not going to spend that 6 hours working for those points, get your arado..... and disco...and lose it..well ya just worked 6 hours for nothing YAY!

[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 03-12-2001).]

Fatty · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2001, 10:10:00 AM »

11 hours sounds about right. How fast were you expecting to earn them?

Fishu · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2001, 10:32:00 AM »

Gee.. who does average mission in 20 minutes?

Skysix1 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2001, 10:54:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Fishu:
Gee.. who does average mission in 20 minutes?

He must have meant an hour and 20 minutes.

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"Sky61"

loser · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2001, 11:32:00 AM »

i have enough bomber perks to buyway more 234s than anyone would ever need. But i still agree with you thewobble. It seems rather lame that a POS plane is worth so many points. The only reason i have taken up that ugly thing is because it is new and makes neat sounds. It takes 4 sectors and like 30 minutes to climb to a safe alt (around 20k) and when you get to your target it is either captured or all up.. yay you can drop the fighter hangers.

the same job could be done in a b17 or b26 in half the time and could take out more targets (with a slightly lesser chance of surviving,, SLIGHTLY) and they arent perked

so why is an obviously inferior plane perked?

Fishu · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2001, 11:36:00 AM »

Haven't tried perk system, but this sure sounds like bit too much.. since we're not that much historically accurate in AH anyway.