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Offline Widewing

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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2002, 01:50:55 AM »
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Now this might be a Laz2 type conclusion, but if it gives you fits, fight it in a Dora, it becomes a toothless target.


Hmm, I find the Dora to be a toothless target, I'm 15/1 against them, 27/4 against all 190s.

OTOH, I'm 100/23 (12 lost to acks and Flak) in the N1K2, 26/5 against it. Really, it boils down to the pilot and tactics, with the aircraft being somewhat incidental. I find that the Niki can out-run whatever it can't out-turn. Knowing that, forming tactics is all that remains.

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« Last Edit: April 28, 2002, 01:55:44 AM by Widewing »
My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2002, 03:53:03 AM »
The dive performance of the n1k is what brings the whines.

It seems unreal how a n1k that you met face to face (n1k being a couple thousand feet higher) reverses 180 and catches the p51 in dive even if he does a 0-g dive. If the p51 flies straight - he dies. If he turns - he dies.

Ok, maybe n1k alone isn't impossible to escape, but in most cases the n1k has dove on me after I'm extending from 3:1 fight with a spit, hurri, tiffy etc. With already 3 cons chasing you and the n1k diving after you with speed that can't be matched with the 'fast' late war plane.. That really bugs me off.

I really hate the n1k when it ends the fight like this even after I managed to fight a superior enemy and extend from all of them.

I'm pretty sure many others have the same kind of experiences.

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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2002, 05:23:07 AM »
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Please explain to me what you mean by this.


I also fly the F6F in jabo roles. I've flown also the N1K2J several times in CT (perked! he he). Both handle almost the same for me, with weapons and speed advantage for the F6F. In MA, flying F6F, I rarelly need to drop my bombs and rockets when dogfighting some deffender. This from the cockpit of these planes.

Fighting them I use mainly 190A5 and 190D9, and N1K2 and F6F are the same plane for me with different skinn. The only difference is that F6F is able to outdive me and N1K2 isn't. That, and the range of their weapons. Add also the F6F advantage in hi speed control.

A final note. In MA, flying F6F, I've been able to outturn Spits IX with ease, not the same with N1K2 against Spits in CT.
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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2002, 07:39:39 AM »
Yes Mrsid, I can understand your frustration there- but that isn't the N1K killing you.  Or rather, any plane in that situation can kill you.  As an example, I was in the MA yesterday in a 109g10.  I was just tooling around over a friendly base that was under a heavy attack by the rooks.  There were 6 to 7 enemy planes chasing me just about the whole time I was flying over the base.  Eventually, the majority of them got bored when they captured the base and stopped chasing me around.  So I turned and started to go home (and I'm at 20k or so).  I was thinking what a boring sortie that had been, when a co-alt Spit makes a run on me.  I dodged his HO pass, leaving him chasing me about 2.5k back once he turned around.  I came across a frienly getting chased around by an F6F and a Spit.  Against my better judgement, I dive down to help him out.  The Spit on my tail follows me down.  In the ensuing dogfight, the Spit on my countrymans tail goes down (gotta love 30mm), and like 6 new enemies start piling on.  I decided discretion was the better part of valor and head for home, with 4 spits on my tail.  The farthest one is about 4k back, the closest is about 1.2 back and spraying for all he is worth.  I'm hauling bellybutton home at 400 mph when I look back and see yet another Spit diving on me.  He is gaining real fast, so I let him get within 800 yards, chop throttle and pull up hard into a barrel roll.  As he overshot, I got a real good look at him.  It was either a Spit I or a Spit V- but he had a significant altitude advantage on me that he had converted into about 450 mph of speed.  

I've dove on La7s in a 110 and caught them.  It isnt all about top speed, but what your top speed is in a certain situation.  And yes, I agree with you that getting gangbanged sucks ass, but there is nothing you can do about it in our brave new arena.