They Got Spit14 we want K-4

[Wilbus]

Meteor Mk III NEVER saw action, flew some on both sides of the channel but never saw any combat. If the Meteor Mk III is added, so should the Do335 (which saw some limited action or atleast encounters with the enemy). Sure bring the Mk III but not without the Do335.

Spit 21 is another thing though aswell as the P51H.

[Wilbus]

Eddiek, I am sorry but you're wrong about the Do335. It was a finnished design and they were being delivered, only in very few numbers though. They flew operational sorties, there were finished production planes of it and it was NOT a prtotype, it was just very very late.

[Squire]

The Me262, Arado 234, Ta152 and 190D-9, 109G-10 represent the very best the LW had, in any reasonable numbers.

Trouble is, they have been in the sim for awhile, and the restless players ask "whats next" well, you have been spolied I think by these types, as the allies have with the P-51D, F4U-4, and Tempest, and now the SpitXIV as well.

There isnt anything else (within reason) for late 1945 types. AH needs to fill out the mid and early war sets now. Trouble is they are all slower types and for some folks, who only care about the MA, they dont have a lot of interest in them (BoB ac as an eg.).

I think AH has to expand beyond just an MA though, it needs to contunue with events as well, and maybe theater specific arenas beyond the CT in the future, but it needs the rest of the types filled out to do that:

He177
He111
Me410
Kate
Val
SBD
Ki-84

Personally I dont think an ac belongs in AH unless it saw at least three months service during the war, equipped at least an entire squadron or group, and saw combat at least once.

[funkedup]

Meteor III flew patrols over enemy territory with the 2nd TAF.  The Luftwaffe couldn't challenge it so they did ground attack on targets of opportunity.

[eddiek]

I agree with Squire's above suggested criteria for inclusion the AH planeset.  It pretty much evens the playing field and is fair to all IMO.

As to the Do-335, here is some stuff I found on it:

"Plagued by mechanical unreliability and lack of aviation fuel, the operational career of the Do 335 is rather obscure. Do 335A-0 and A-1 aircraft are thought to have flown a number of operational missions with EK335. Some were also used by III/KG2 in the Spring of 1945. There is no evidence of the type being met in combat, so it seems likely that all the operations were high speed interdiction missions - many taking place at night. "

Also:

"Technically innovative, heavily armed and possessing a performance which no other piston-engined aircraft has ever achieved or surpassed, the Do 335 possessed great potential as a combat aircraft, but never got the chance to prove itself. Delayed by high ranking indecision and Allied bombing raids, it simply ran out of time. "
This is from this link:
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/profile/d335hist.htm

There are probably more links out there, and likely scores of books on the plane, but right now this is all I've looked at.

Add the 335 and you need to add more than a few Allied rides that were "operational" yet saw no combat as well, namely the F8F Bearcat, P-80 Shooting Star, Meteor, etc.
Just my thoughts............

[HFMudd]

In the Bf-109 image, what is the dohickey sticking out of the bottom of the left wing next to the cross?

[Urchin]

Originally posted by DarkglamJG52
The 109G-10 we have is a K-4 in all but name. Hell, the 109G-10 in real life was a K-4 in all but name (at least it was supposed to be).

Barbarity of the month.

I'd rather have a slightly better Spit than the IX.. like a Spit IX LF  

...and what about a real Spit  IX without UFO E , UFO G's, UFO  acceleration, laser beams and nose always up.


I agree with you about more russian (bombers), italian and japan. Also Stuka, He 219 and Me 410.

About the G-10 program-  it was a program to bring older, worn out 109s up to the K-4 standard.  All kinds of older 109s became "G-10s" when they were retro-fitted with newer engines, oil coolers, WEP, etc.  

The stuff about the Spitfire is just retarded, I'm not going to bother responding to it.

About the P-47B stuff... sorry!  Lol.  I thought the P-47B saw combat for some reason:confused: .  If the D-11 is like the one that saw combat in the south pacific we don't need any earlier P-47s, just the M and the N (I know you'd like the M more, but I think I'd like to have the N, for obvious reasons )

[BenDover]

Originally posted by Urchin
I'm a 109 pilot... I don't want the K-4.  The 109G-10 we have is a K-4 in all but name.  Hell, the 109G-10 in real life was a K-4 in all but name (at least it was supposed to be).  

I'd rather have a slightly better Spit than the IX.. like a Spit IX LF.  I'd also like a P-40 (early war one, like an E), a P-39 (and P-400 if possible), a early war P-38 (like an F), a Ki-43, Ki-84, and a Ki-44.

I'd also like a Brewster Buffalo.  In finnish markings.  The P-39 should be in Russian markings.  P-400 could be either British or U.S.  P-40 would be cool in Australian or New Zealand markings (both countries used a lot of P-40s).  

And I want a Stuka.  I want the early dive-bombing stuka, and the late G model with the two cannons under the wings.  

And I want a He-219 when everything else has been modelled .

And a P-63.  And maybe a P-61.  And more Russian planes (but the sucky early war ones, we have enough late war good ones), like the I-16 and Mig-3.  And some more Russian twins and bombers.  

And then I want some Italian planes too.  Re-2000,2002, and 2005 would be good to have .  Especially the 2000 and 2002.

want want want want want want, when do you ever give?

[Wilbus]

Which is proof that it wasn't a prototype Eddiek.

[funkedup]

FWIW:

Germans used a V-number to note an experimental type, like X for the USAF.  E.g. Do 335 V1 or XP-38.

A -0 on a german designation means pre-production, kind of like a Y in front of a USAAF designation.  E.g. Do 335A-0 or YP-38.  These aircraft were not the same exact spec as production models but they were quite close and delivered to the military and used for service tests which could include some combat.

A number greater than -0 on a German aircraft is a production aircraft, like Do 335A-1 or P-38.

Therefore the four Do 335A-1 built were production aircraft.  Not experimental or prototypes.

[Squire]

Without sounding like LW bashing, I must say the Do335 really has no place in AH. It was such an obscure type, with 20 delivered to combat units from the source I have.

Was it cool? yes. Did it see combat? yes. But really, its the same category as the P-80 and the F8F Bearcat. AH should be about ac that saw some ammount of service worth noting.

Btw, the Meteor was operational in July 1944 with 616 Sqn RAF. I dont mean test flights, I mean operational. It intercepted V1s and also did ground attack with the 2nd TAF.

To compare it to the Do335?, is totally unfair. However, to clarify, I am against the Meteor in AH , way too many important types to model. If they never included it, it wouldnt bother me at all. We dont need any more jets.

Regards.

[Jack55]

Ben Affleck shot down a load of 109s in England, he deserves to have his P-40 modeled.

[eddiek]

But the Do-335 still should not be in AH.
Only what??  41 were ever finished, of all types?
That's really reaching out there a ways to try and get that plane, with so few actually made.

[Nath[BDP]]

Damn Euros never happy.

Play the game, stop begging.

[BGBMAW]

Ya well im not saying anything else about planes..go dam some u guys are really sorry...Can u do somthen a bit more productive..lolololololollol. .Liek saty still in front of my cannons??>>lolo

Any ways Wutz,,if that was your model u built..Bueatiful job,,,when ever i get broken or sick i build ww2 models...lukily ive built only 10....Why no weathering on the 109??? any s..dam nice job...


AND PERK THE me163...GO GOGO MIGHTY FLEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ahh if we perked the 109-g-10..ill loose all my 262's:(..lolo

BGBMAW