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Offline weazel

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« on: May 03, 2002, 05:09:03 PM »
Iceal Hambleton was rescued....what happened to the others onboard the EB-66?

The rest of the story?

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2002, 08:30:50 PM »
The general consensus is that any POWs that North Vietnam had would be long dead by now.  The living conditions that POWs faced did not support a long life.

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2002, 08:32:36 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2002, 11:05:11 AM »
Was there a story on that page?
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2002, 02:56:08 PM »
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Scot O'Grady, the pilot that was shot down over Bosnia, was rescued after a series of radio transmissions were received that automatically identified him as a downed US pilot. In order to make certain that our Search and Rescue teams were not being mislead, he was contacted by radio and asked to give his escape and evade code.
Every pilot is issued a unique code that corresponds to that particularr pilot. Even if the enemy was able to torture that code out of you, they would not use the code themselves, because they could never be sure that the code that they tortured from a pilot was the correct code.
In the spring of 1992, the National Security Agency began analyzing image intelligence (satellite photographs) of an image that began to form letters in a hillside just outside of Hanoi, next to the Dong Vai prison in Vietnam.

During the Vietnam War pilots were issued one-of-a-kind escape and evade authenticator codes. These codes were issued in order to prevent the enemy from tricking rescue teams into an ambush.


The image that NSA analysts were studying took shape on June 5, 1992. It was such an authenticator code and it corresponded to that of Henry Serex. Moreover, so that there would be no doubt of the identity of the person cutting this code into the hillside, "-SEREX".


The Department of Defense PoW/MIA Office determined that the code, although identified as that belonging to, or assigned to, Henry Serex, was, in fact, a natural phenomenon and they dismissed this matter without demanding any answers whatsoever from Hanoi. We were, after all, about to lift the embargo and American business could not let a simple matter of a human being stand in their way.


What follows is the biography of Henry Muir Serex:



CASE SYNOPSIS: SEREX, HENRY MUIR


Name: Henry Muir Serex
Rank/Branch: O4/US Air Force
Unit: 42nd Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron, Korat AB TH
Date of Birth: 09 May 1931
Home City of Record: New Orleans LA (family in CA)
Date of Loss: 02 April 1972
Country of Loss: South Vietnam
Loss Coordinates: 165000N 1070100E (YD146612)
Status (in 1973): Missing In Action
Category: 2
Acft/Vehicle/Ground: EB66E ("Bat 21")



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Personnel in Incident:
April 2:
Robin F. Gatwood;
Wayne L. Bolte;
Anthony Giannangeli;
Charles A. Levis;
Henry M. Serex; (all missing from the EB66).
LtCol. Iceal Hambleton (rescued after 12 days from EB66).

Ronald P. Paschall;
Byron K. Kulland;
John W. Frink (all missing from UH1H rescue helicopter),
Jose M. Astorga (captured and released in 1973 from UH1H).
April 3:
William J. Henderson (captured and released in 1973 from OV10A rescue craft);
Mark Clark (rescued after 12 days from OV10A rescue craft).
April 6:
James H. Alley;
Allen J. Avery;
Peter H. Chapman;
John H. Call;
William R. Pearson;
Roy D. Prater (all KIA/BNR from HH53C "Jolly 52" rescue chopper).
Also in very close proximity to "Bat 21" on April 3:
Allen D. Christensen;
Douglas L. O'Neil;
Edward W. Williams;
Larry A. Zich (all missing from UH1H).
April 7:
Bruce Charles Walker (evaded 11 days);
Larry F. Potts (captured & died in POW camp) (both missing from OV10A).



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Source: Compiled by Homecoming II Project 31 April 1990 from one or more of the following: raw data from U.S. Government agency sources, correspondence with POW/MIA families, published sources, interviews.

REMARKS:

SYNOPSIS: On the afternoon of April 2, 1972, two Thailand-based EB66 aircraft (Bat 21 and Bat 22), from the 30th Air Division, were flying pathfinder escort for a cell of B52s bombing near the DMZ. Bat 21 took a direct SAM hit and the plane went down. The aircraft was observed by other flight members to break apart and crash. A single beeper signal was heard, that of navigator Col. Iceal Hambleton. At this time it was assumed the rest of the crew died in the crash. The crew included Maj. Wayne L. Bolte, pilot; 1Lt. Robin F. Gatwood, LtCol. Anthony R. Giannangeli, LtCol. Charles A. Levis, and Maj. Henry M. Serex, all crew members. It should be noted that the lowest ranking man aboard this plane was Gatwood, a First Lieutenant. This was not an ordinary crew, and its members, particularly Hambleton, would be a prize capture for the enemy because of military knowledge they possessed.


It became critical, therefore, that the U.S. locate Hambleton, and any other surviving crew members before the Vietnamese did - and the Vietnamese were trying hard to find them first.


An Army search and rescue team was nearby and dispatched two UH1H "slicks" and two UH1B "Cobras". When they approached Hambleton's position just before dark, at about 50 feet off the ground, with one of the AH1G Cobra gunships flying at 300 feet for cover, two of the helicopters were shot down. One, the Cobra (Blue Ghost 28) reached safety and the crew was picked up, without having seen the other downed helicopter. The other, a UH1H from F Troop, 8th Cavalry, 196th Brigade, had just flown over some huts into a clearing when they encountered ground fire, and the helicopter exploded. Jose Astorga, the gunner, was injured in the chest and knee by the gunfire. Astorga became unconscious, and when he recovered, the helicopter was on the ground. He found the pilot, 1Lt. Byron K. Kulland, lying outside the helicopter. WO John W. Frink, the co-pilot, was strapped in his seat and conscious. The crew chief, SP5 Ronald P. Paschall, was pinned by his leg in the helicopter, but alive. WO Franks urged Astorga to leave them, and Astorga was captured. He soon observed the aircraft to be hit by automatic weapons fire, and to explode with the rest of the crew inside. He never saw the rest of the crew again. Astorga was released by the North Vietnamese in 1973.


The following day, Nail 38, an OV10A equipped with electronic rescue gear enabling its crew to get a rapid "fix" on its rescue target entered Hambleton's area and was shot down. The crew, William J. Henderson and Mark Clark, both parachuted out safely. Henderson was captured and released in 1973. Clark evaded for 12 days and was subsequently rescued.


On April 3, the day Nail 38 was shot down, a UH1H "slick" went down in the same area carrying a crew of four enlisted Army personnel. They had no direct connection to the rescue of Bat 21, but were very probably shot down by the same SAM installations that downed Bat 21. The helicopter, from H/HQ, 37th Signal Battalion, 1st Signal Brigade, had left Marble Mountain Airfield, Da Nang, on a standard resupply mission to signal units in and around Quang Tri City. The crew, consisting of WO Douglas L. O'Neil, pilot; CW2 Larry A. Zich, co-pilot; SP5 Allen D. Christensen, crew chief; and SP4 Edward W. Williams, gunner; remain missing in action.

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2002, 02:56:52 PM »
On April 6, an attempt was made to pick up Clark and Hambleton which resulted in an HH53C helicopter being shot down. The chopper was badly hit. The helicopter landed on its side and continued to burn, consuming the entire craft, and presumably, all 6 men aboard. The crew of this aircraft consisted of James H. Alley; Allen J. Avery, John H. Call III, Peter H. Chapman, William R. Pearson, and Roy D. Prater. Search and rescue noted no signs of survivors, but it is felt that the Vietnamese probably know the fate of this crew because of the close proximity of the downed aircraft to enemy locations.


On April 7 another Air Force OV10A went down in the area with Larry Potts and Bruce Walker aboard. Walker, the Air Force pilot of the aircraft, evaded capture 11 days, while it is reported that Potts was captured and died in Quang Binh prison. Potts, the observer, was a Marine Corps officer. Walker's last radio transmission to search and rescue was for SAR not to make an attempt to rescue, the enemy was closing in. Both men remain unaccounted for.


Hambleton and Clark were rescued after 12 incredible days. Hambleton continually changed positions and reported on enemy activity as he went, even to the extent of calling in close air strikes near his position. He was tracked by a code he devised relating to the length and lie direction of various golf holes he knew well. Another 20 or so Americans were not so fortunate.


In July 1986, the daughter of Henry Serex learned that, one week after all search and rescue had been "called off" for Bat 21, another mission was mounted to recover "another downed crewmember" from Bat 21. She doesn't know whether the "other downed crewmember" is her father or another man on the EB66 aircraft. No additional information has been released. When the movie "Bat 21" was released, she was horrified to learn that virtually no mention of the rest of the crew was made in the film.


In Vietnam, to most fighting men, the man that fought beside them, whether in the air or on the ground, was worth dying for. Each understood that the other would die for him if necessary. Thus, also considering the critical knowledge possessed by Col. Hambleton and some of the others, the seemingly uncanny means taken to recover Clark and Hambleton are not so unusual at all.


What defies logic and explanation, however, is that the government that sent these men to battle can distort or withhold information from their families, and knowingly abandon hundreds of men known or strongly suspected to be in enemy hands.


Thousands of reports have been received by the U.S. Government indicating that Americans are still alive, in captivity in Southeast Asia. It has been 17 years for those who may have survived the 1972 Easter crashes and rescue attempts. How much longer must they wait for their country to bring "peace with honor" to them and bring them home?


Henry M. Serex was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel during the period he was maintained missing.




I am sure that some of your remember the movie Bat 21 starring Gene Hackman and Danny Glover. Isn't it amazing that Hollywood can make movies showing Happy Endings (Hambleton being rescued) while men such as Serex, stemming from the same incident, are given "bit" parts and relegated as expendable by our own government. That his authenticator code, his name and distress designation were explained away as that of a natural phenomenon. But movies are made to show that the United States Government would expend all on the safe return of one man when in fact the Men We Left Behind are abandoned.


As if that wasn't enough, while the Serex authenticator code was taking shape, a few hundred feet away another code was picked up by our spy sattelites. This code, GX2527, proved to be that of Peter Matthes. To add insult to injury, the DoD explained this one away as another natural phenomenon. Hey, it worked once...


What follows is Peter Matthes biography:



MATTHES, PETER RICHARD


Name: Peter Richard Matthes
Rank/Branch: O2/US Air Force
Unit: 44th Tactical Airlift Squadron, Ubon Airfield, Thailand
Date of Birth: 14 March 1943
Home City of Record: Toledo OH
Date of Loss: 24 November 1969
Country of Loss: Laos
Loss Coordinates: 154900N 1064600E (YC902495)
Status (in 1973): Missing in Action
Category: 2
Acft/Vehicle/Ground: C130A
Other Personnel in Incident: Michael D. Balamonti;
Earl C. Brown;
Rexford J. Dewispelaere;
Charles R. Fellenz;
Richard O. Ganley;
Larry I. Grewell;
Donald L. Wright (all missing)

REMARKS:

SYNOPSIS: On November 24, 1969, a C130A departed Ubon Airfield, Thailand on an operational mission over Laos. The crew aboard the aircraft included Maj. Michael D. Balamonti (the navigator); Capt. Earl C. Brown; Capt. Richard O. Ganley; 1Lt. Peter R. Matthes (the copilot); and Sgts. Donald L. Wright; Larry I. Grewell; Charles R. Fellenz; and Rexford J. DeWispelaere.


While on the mission, near Ban Bac, Savannakhet Province, Laos, the C130 was observed to be struck by several rounds of 37mm anti-aircraft fire, burst into flames, crash to the ground, and explode on impact. All the crew was declared Missing in Action, but due to enemy presence in the area, it was strongly felt that the enemy could account for them. It was not determined whether the crew died or survived the crash of the aircraft.


The crew of the C130 are among nearly 600 Americans who were lost in Laos. When Dr. Henry Kissinger negotiated President Nixon's Peace Agreements in Paris in 1973, ending American involvement in the Vietnam War, the Americans lost in Laos were forgotten. Kissinger did not negotiate for them, even though several were known to be Prisoners of War, and some 125 of them were known to have survived their loss incidents. Furthermore, the Pathet Lao stated on several occasions that they held "tens of tens" of American prisoners.

The nearly 600 Americans lost in Laos have never been negotiated for, and not one American held in Laos was released at the end of the war.


Since the end of the war, nearly 10,000 reports have been received by the U.S. relating to Americans missing in Southeast Asia. Many authorities believe that hundreds remain alive today, held captive. Whether the crew of the C130 could be among them is not known, but it seems certain that there are compelling questions that need answers. Among them - why did we abandon the men who served our country? What are we doing to bring them home?

Prepared by Homecoming II Project 01 December 1989.

What we have here are two cases of captured pilots doing everything they can to get home, to resist the enemy as best as they can and having bureaucrats in Washington Dee Ceit decide that they aren't worth the effort to get them home. That is our national shame. Do not forget Henry Serex and Peter Matthes and do not let our elected representatives forget Henry Serex and Peter Matthes. Call your congressman and Senator today and demand that they vote against the McCain Ammendment to the Missing Service Personnel Act of 1996 and also advise your elected representatives that the U.S. Government's handling of the PoW/MIA issue is totally unacceptable to you. Do it now.

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2002, 07:57:20 PM »
Debating the POW-MIA issue is like debating the Kennedy assassination. Anyone who questions the official statements is labeled as a conspiracy theory nut and  the topic draws enough conspircacy theory nuts who put out enough wild disinformation to justify such a label.

From the briefings I received from a former Green Beret Command Sergeant Major (who served in the US Army for 30 years including both Korea and Vietnam and has been very active with the POW-MIA organization represented by the black flag), it is my understanding that any Americans who were still alive in captivity by the late 70s and early 80s were being hunted down and killed by CIA sponsored teams to prevent any goverment embarrassment that such a situation would cause if made public. This claim was made by a man who supposedly was hired to guide one such team through Vietnam. He thought the team was going to get photos, and instead they executed anyone they found. This man failed to prove his claim to the authorities.

Like the Kennedy assassination, there are plenty of reasons to be suspicious, but no solid facts to support any of the assertions being made. It was interesting that after Glastnost, the Soviets reported having interrogated and imprisoned some of these men, but that they did not have any records indicating who these men were or which Siberian gulag they had been held at.

I think it is an unfair assumption to assume that anyone that was taken captive in the 70's couldn't possibly survive into the 90's... even now they might be 50 or 60 something years old and still struggling against the odds.

I think it is fair for the families to demand closure from the government including full disclosure of what the government originally knew.

But I live in the real world... Nixon wrote them off when he signed the Paris treaty. In the name of political expediency, all of the men were dead they day we pulled out of Vietnam. They did not die for nothing though. They were sacrificed so we could stop sending more men to suffer the same fate. I just wish someone would step forward with the information needed to clear up all the cases that can be cleared up: the ones that were known to be in captivity.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2002, 11:02:17 AM »
I know the Vietnam War created alot of animosity towards the goverment and military, but I think an objective viewpoint is required when discussing this subject.  Lets take a look at a few of these-

(1) During the Vietnam War, I believe there were only 900 U.S. military servicemen taken prisoner.  This small number shows the high unlikeliness that there were more than a handful of prisoners left behind.

(2) Even when kept in 'modern' prisons, U.S. POWs were still malnourished and suceptable to disease.  It would be extremely unlikely that POWs kept in discrete Laoitian prison camps would survive more than a few years (at most).

(3)  Conspiracy theorist like to point out that the U.S. Goverment hasn't done anything to search for POWs.  The U.S. Goverment has.  I believe it was either in the late 70s or early 80s that a search for jungle prison camps was initiated in South East Asia.  Nothing was found.

(4)Wasn't there a raid in the early 70s in which many U.S. Marines were killed trying to recover some prisoners/hostages (which they did recover)?  I think this is more evidence that the U.S. wouldn't willingly 'forget' about POWs.

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The nearly 600 Americans lost in Laos have never been negotiated for, and not one American held in Laos was released at the end of the war.


That is simply not true.  There were 28 U.S. POWs returned from Laos, and 3 more whom escaped their captors.

http://www.miafacts.org/ has lots of facts (not myths or stories) to back up my claims.  
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