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Offline Duedel

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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2002, 07:00:26 AM »
Tried Call2Surf (ISDN-Provider) to connect to MA and it's working fine (but it costs money :( )! I don't understand this! Why does T-DSL has Problem only with MA and why does ISDN work? I'm totally confused. Anybody know where I can kill a Telekomiker?

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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2002, 07:52:38 AM »
Ok friends i tracert the route here is the result:


Routenverfolgung zu 216.234.247.240 über maximal 30 Abschnitte

  1    55 ms    55 ms    55 ms  217.5.98.143
  2    55 ms    55 ms    55 ms  217.237.156.110
  3   151 ms   151 ms   151 ms  Vienna-gw12.USA.net.DTAG.DE [62.156.131.182]
  4   138 ms   138 ms   138 ms  dt-gw.wswdc.ip.att.net [194.25.6.234]
  5   137 ms   138 ms   138 ms  gbr4-p50.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.9.54]
  6   151 ms   165 ms   165 ms  gbr4-p30.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.2.225]
  7   179 ms   178 ms   179 ms  gbr3-p20.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.2.89]
  8   179 ms   178 ms   165 ms  gbr5-p60.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.5.73]
  9   179 ms   178 ms   179 ms  gar2-p360.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.123.17.25]
 10   165 ms   179 ms   178 ms  gar1-p3100.dlrtx.ip.att.net [12.123.196.101]
 11   165 ms   165 ms   164 ms  12.119.136.22
 12   164 ms   179 ms   179 ms  border3.ge3-1-bbnet1.ext1.dal.pnap.net [216.52.
91.22]
 13   384 ms   206 ms   206 ms  theplanet-2.border3.003.dal.pnap.net [216.52.18
.222]
 14     *      370 ms     *     216.234.247.240
 15     *        *        *     Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
 16   357 ms   357 ms   357 ms  216.234.247.240

Ablaufverfolgung beendet.

I talket with t-online, result of tracering the route: It must be Problem of US server.

Greets, Alino

Ps: I begin Download WarBirds to have a look if it can be enjoyeble for me. We hang on for the 3rd day here now and there is now answer from HTC.
I mailt 3times to the supportteam and i get not 1 response. Think that`s not OK.

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2002, 08:00:29 AM »
Duedel, all ISDN data traffic is concentrated into 2mbit lines at your local Telekom outlet. From there it will be fed to the ATM Backbone, in about 4 hops. The Telekom ATM backbone has about 100 nodes, and the one carrying the route to the MA seems fuxored. Now if some other provider takes your ISDN data stream off the backbone in another node, and connects it to the MA server via it's own (paid-for) route to the US of A, you just may have better results.



Gonna post some traceroutes l8er.

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2002, 08:05:09 AM »
traceroute for call2surf:

(...)
 14   164 ms   165 ms   151 ms  p4-0-1-0.r80.nwrknj01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.2
.222]
 15   164 ms   165 ms   165 ms  p4-1-3-0.r01.nwrknj01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.5
.41]
 16   165 ms   165 ms   165 ms  p4-0-1.r01.phlapa01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3.1
25]
 17   165 ms   165 ms   165 ms  p4-1-0-0.r00.phlapa01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3
.153]
 18   165 ms   165 ms   178 ms  p4-6-0-0.r00.stngva01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3
.105]
 19   206 ms   193 ms   193 ms  p16-2-0-0.r02.dllstx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.
5.34]
 20   206 ms   206 ms   206 ms  ge-0-0-0.a11.dllstx01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.3
1.59]
 21   178 ms   192 ms   193 ms  so-1-2-0.a11.dllstx01.us.ce.verio.net [157.238.2
27.226]
 22   193 ms   192 ms   192 ms  border3.ge4-1-bbnet2.ext1.dal.pnap.net [216.52.1
91.83]
 23   192 ms   192 ms   192 ms  theplanet-2.border3.003.dal.pnap.net [216.52.189
.222]
 24   206 ms   220 ms   220 ms  216.234.247.240

There !

Traceroute for Telekom:


  1    28 ms    27 ms    28 ms  212.185.250.185
  2    28 ms    27 ms    28 ms  212.185.250.182

212.185.250.182 is fuxored. :mad:

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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2002, 08:05:32 AM »
sorry devious mein english ist nicht gut genug das alles zu übersetzen.

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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2002, 08:11:26 AM »
Naja für die routre bruche ich dann keine übersetzung ;-((

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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2002, 08:20:12 AM »
Quote
Alino: I begin Download WarBirds to have a look if it can be enjoyeble for me. We hang on for the 3rd day here now and there is now answer from HTC.

LOL after playing in CT yesterday (BTW was fun) I started to play WBIII offline. I really hate the FM!
Calm down alino ;) as dtx posted above (thanks m8) i think it's a problem of our heroic %/!"§$ Telekom so HTC can't do anything.

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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2002, 08:28:30 AM »
Damn Duedel maybe you are right.
After i transmitted the tracerroute for call2surf to the Terrorkom they said : "oh maybe perhaps we have a little problem there. technik will check it tomorrow."

Grummel grummel ärger hass §$%)($/§"

naja we will see

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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2002, 08:35:01 AM »
Sorry, Duedel.
 I can't share your optimism that the telekom is responsible.

I made several tracert round the globe, but the only server/node with problems is the MA server of Hitech.

But maybe someone of WBIII or WWIIonline bribed the telekom to cut off AH from Germany :rolleyes:

The last "working" Server is theplanet-2.
There is nothing more to say about it :mad:

Tofri

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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2002, 08:51:58 AM »
Hey ToFri Kuer tried WWiionline same Problem there

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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2002, 09:39:12 AM »
how many of you are dsl?

im losing 40-60% between the planet and htc all other hops are fine. Im in florida btw and dsl.

I made a post last monday in the internet connect forum.

wwiiol servers suk any way imho so i wouldn't use that as proof of anything.

My traces and connect to the other ht servers are fine.

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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2002, 09:59:02 AM »
Im DSL here, connected too warbirds, 200 ping no packet loss:confused:

BTW didn't play just connected ;)

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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2002, 10:29:52 AM »
ADSL here (Terra networks), more than 60% packet lost.

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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2002, 10:50:00 AM »
Ok,..been reading about the problems from Germany and if I may, I think I can get a handle on this.

When you see a traceroute, each and every 'hop' is a router.  The things you do not see are switches.  But, I will leave switches to another discussion.
Typically, when you see high pings/packet losses at either the last hop or next to the last hop of a traceroute, it is partly due to an asynchronous route.
Asynchronous routes occur when the data path to your destination is different than the data path from the destination back to you.
In this case, it appears the problem is the return path back to you.  Because you cannot see that path, you cannot get a true evaluation of your connection.  Somewhere along the way on the return path, there is a problem.  It could be a router, switch, or physical link problem.
Why would it happen at the MA and not other places?  Well, the odds are pretty slim that any given connection you have to any give point on the Internet is not going to take the same path, but if it does, you will see the same problem.

Not having access to the return path makes it difficult to see where the problem is.  

To answer some other questions;  The reason all the other arenas may be working fine for you is due to the different path and backbone ISP AppLink uses.

I know the knee jerk reaction is to think HTC is the problem, but in fact, the real issue may be beyond thier control at this time.  Hopefully this will not be an issue much longer, as we are making headway to getting the new pipes to AppLink so we can get the MA back here.
Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2002, 10:50:45 AM »
CC DSL here loosing 60-70% at theplanet.

Skuzzy maybe or maybe not that the reason is to search at HT.
But the thing that make me galling is: There is not one reaction to the mail`s that i have send to the support.
To know that they are searching for the Problem would be a bit becalming.

« Last Edit: May 05, 2002, 10:58:01 AM by Alino »