Author Topic: Spit I vs. 109E4. (and 109F4)  (Read 496 times)

Offline Wilbus

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Spit I vs. 109E4. (and 109F4)
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2002, 06:58:24 PM »
Look at Wells link, shows that the 109 outrolls the spitfire by far when bellow 300mph. Spitfire takes over at about 310mph. Bellow 270-280 the difference is really big.

In AH the spit outrolls the 109 E in all speeds at all alts.
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Offline Urchin

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2002, 08:55:36 PM »
It looks from that link that the rolling performance of the 109E is actually pretty close.  In my 'tests' I averaged about a 7 to 8 second roll from about 175 all the way to 250 or so.  In the link, it says the 109E takes roughly 1 second to go 45 degrees.  That'd be an 8 second roll.  It doesn't say which direction the roll was made in (I don't think).  

However, if those tests are accurate the Spit I is rolling far too well.  It says in the test it takes a little under 2 seconds to roll 45 degrees up until over 300 mph (where it gets worse fast, just like the 109E).  In my 'test' the Spitfire got roughly a 6 second roll from 200 to 300 mph (in both directions).  That is about 3/4th of a second for a 45 degree bank.  Therefore, if the tests are accurate the Spit I rolls about 2.5x as fast as it should be rolling.

That wasn't my primary concern though.  It looks like the poor roll ability at all speeds is modelled correctly for the 109E, and that was what I was wondering about.

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2002, 06:18:45 AM »
Not that I want to hijack this thread...but....
Many of the planes in AH probably need to be tweaked, in terms of both speed, climb and rollrate.
The A6M5 for instance, rolls way to good at high speed..I belive even better than the 109 or Spitfire I, while in real life it was almost unmovable above 300 mph...
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2002, 06:28:57 AM »
Then it is the spit Mk1 that needs to be fixed and not the 109 :)

The zeke is a weird plane, quite often capeble of outdiving many faster planes...
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2002, 07:03:02 PM »
What's the source for that chart in the link :confused: :confused: ???

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