New IJAF figther

[PrillerJ]

Follow upp on Mitzus tread *S* Mitzu u sound pack is great.

Ok. The 2 main IJAF figthers in earlymid war is the:
*Ki-27 Nate ( armed with 2x7.7 mg in cowl) Fixed landing gears and it moves like "Laurence bacal and lights like a zippo ,on the first ping" (Quote Joe Foss).

*Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar) made in 3 main variants.

*Ki-43-I (Mid 41 A and B version) *A version Armed with 3x7.7mm Mg. all in cowl. *B version Armed with 1x7.7mm and 1x12.7mm both in cowl. The Ki-43-I totaled 716 built total (600 I-b model)

*Ki-43-II (Late 42 A and B version) Both versions armed with 2x12.7mm Mg in cowl. total 2500 Ki-II built.

*Ki-43-III (early 1944 A and B version) *A version armed with a singel 20mm in prop hub. B version (only 2 built) 2x20mm in Hub and cowl. total 2700 Ki-III built.

The Oscar was a plane which held a special place in the hearts of veterans who flew the aircraft. Mention the Hayabusa to some Japanese elders and you may be told there is a song about it - the only Japanese aircraft to have had a song written for it and one which is still sung in Japan today

The Song of the Hayabusa


With revolving sound of the engine
Hayabusa goes beyond the clouds.
Rising Sun is shining on the wing,
Red Eagle stays on the side,
That is the sign of our fighter.

Passed through many fights,
In the rain of bullets,
Only believing in our victory,
Sharing destiny with my plane,
We fly them by our spirits.

Being in years of battle,
We are honoured so many times,
All achieved with tears,
Oh, they have all gone with a smile,
And now live in our hearts.

I would love for all 3 versions of the Ki-43 too be implemented in AH alongside with the Ki-27.

Ki-43-Ib
Ki-43-IIb
Ki-43-IIIa

[PrillerJ]

Thought I also had too attach a Ki-27 picture. Btw do anybody know what gunsight this is????? I have never seen it before.

[LtHans]

I have my eye on a Ki44 or Ki84 personally.

Hans.

[-=Silo=-]

The picture is looking through the TYPE 89 telescopic gunsight.

Also

Ki-43-I:
2x7.7mm
1x7.7mm 1x12.7mm
2x12.7mm

Ki-43-II:
2x7.7mm
1x7.7mm 1x12.7mm
2x12.7mm

Ki-43-III:
2x12.7mm
2x20mm

However I think only 3 Ki-43-III with 20mm were made not 2700. I have also never heard of a HO-5 mounting in the prop hub of any IJA Fighter.

[PrillerJ]

*Ki-43-I Number prodused: 716
*Ki-43-II Number prodused: 2500
*Ki-43-III Number prodused: 2703

Total prodused: 5919

Silo u have too check ur sorces for those guns. They are totaly wild. I have read several places.

Page 214 Die Weltkrieg II Flugzeuge. Kenneh Munson. Isbn 3-87943-302-X. Stuttgart 1999.

Just too give u 1 good source. The gun setup I have listed, is the actual one.

Conserning the Ki-43-III there is room for debate. Some sorces say most Ki-43-III just went one using the 2x12,7mm gun config of the Ki-43-II. Some sorces say that the singel 20mm in prop.hub or 1x20mm in cowl or 2x20mm in cowl. I cant say witch sorce is correct.

Lt.Hans I cant guarante u that it is a Ki-27 Nate. But the site i got the picture stated so.

Sources for Ki-43 gun setup

Famous Fighters of the Second World War, Second Series, William Green, Doubleday 1967.

The Nakajima Ki.43 Hayabusa, Martin C. Windrow and R. F. Francillon, Aircraft in Profile, Doubleday, 1969.

Warplanes of the Second World War, Fighters, Volume 3, William Green, Doubleday, 1964.

Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War, Rene J. Francillon, Naval Institute Press, 1979.

[PrillerJ]

Here is another picture of the Nate (Ki-27) so u get a gooood lock

[Razzor]

Priller, I have seen/heard that song at a karyokie(sp?) bar while in Osaka on business! That's a no BS!!

[-=Silo=-]

PrillrJ, Here are some exceprts from Francillion's Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War.

Ki-43:

Armament:

-Two 7.7mm Type 89 machine-guns (Ki-43-Ia)

-One 7.7mm Type 89 machine-gun and one 12.7mm Type 1 (Ho-103) machine-gun (Ki-43-Ib)

-Two 12.7mm Type 1 (Ho-103) machine-guns (Ki-43-Ic, Ki-43-IIa, Ki-43-IIb, Ki-43-II KAI and Ki-43-IIIa

-Two 20mm Ho-5 cannon (Ki-43-IIIb)

Production:

A total of 5919 Ki-43s were manufactured as follows:

Nakajima Hikoki K.K. at Ota:

3 Ki-43 prototypes (Dec 1938-Mar 1939)
10 Ki-43 Service trials aircraft (Nov 1939-Sept 1940)
716 Ki-43-I production aircraft (Apr 1941 - Feb 1943)
5 Ki-43-II prototypes (Feb-May 1942)
3 Ki-43-II Service trials aircraft (June-Aug 1942)
2492 Ki-43-II production aircraft (Nov 1942-Oct 1944)
10 Ki-43-IIIa prototypes (May 1944-Aug1945)


Tachikawa Hikoki K.K. at Tachikawa:

2,629 Ki-43-II and Ki-43-IIIa production aircraft (May 1943 - Aug 1945)
2 Ki-43-IIIb prototypes (spring 1945)

Tachikawa Dai-Ichi Rikigun Kokusho at Tachikawa:

49 Ki-43-IIa production aircraft (Oct 1942-Nov 1943)



I dont think the Ki-43 ever fired any weapon through the propeller hub. It would require a sustantial workaround to design a new engine and mountings. I have heard as many as three Ki-43-IIIb (20mm cannons in cowl) and as little as two built (according to the text above)

Hope this helps.

[PrillerJ]

Lol -silo- I se we meant the same thing :-)

I thought u meant that Ki-43-I had 3x7.7mm and 3x12.7mm. My mistake.

Whit ur source, i now have(consernig the Ki-43-IIIa modell)

5 sources claiming 2x12,7mm
1 source claiming 1x20mm
1 source caliming 2x20mm

(numbers speaks for themself) the armanement for the Ki-43-IIIa model should be 2x12,7mm.

No if Tony Williams or another ammo genius could give us some info abt the japanes 12,7mm I would apriciate it.

[PrillerJ]

Lol -silo- I se we meant the same thing :-)

I thought u meant that Ki-43-I had 3x7.7mm and 3x12.7mm. My mistake.

Whit ur source, i now have(consernig the Ki-43-IIIa modell)

5 sources claiming 2x12,7mm
1 source claiming 1x20mm
1 source caliming 2x20mm

(numbers speaks for themself) the armanement for the Ki-43-IIIa model should be 2x12,7mm.

No if Tony Williams or another ammo genius could give us some info abt the japanes 12,7mm I would apriciate it.

[Zigrat]

show me the shoki!