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Offline Weave

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News on Boeing Stratoliner Ditch
« on: May 09, 2002, 06:48:18 PM »
Subject: Boeing 307 Accident
 
  If anyone saw the pictures of that historic Boeing Airplane crashing into
  the waters of Puget Sound several weeks ago here is the real story.
 
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  Accident occurred Thursday, March  28, 2002 at  Seattle, WA  Aircraft: Boeing S-307, registration: N19903 Injuries: 4  Uninjured. This is preliminary information, subject to
  change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
 
  On March 28,2002, approximately 1305 Pacific standard time, a Boeing S-307
  Stratoliner,  N19903, registered to the National Air & Space Museum, operated by  The Boeing Company, as a 14 CFR  Part 91 maintenance and proficiency  flight,  ditched in the waters of Elliott Bay, Seattle, Washington,  following a loss of engine power. Visual meteorological  conditions prevailed at the time and no flight plan was filed. The aircraft was substantially damaged. The two airline transport pilots and two flight engineers were not injured.
 
  The flight departed from Everett, Washington, and was destined for Seattle, Washington. During an interview, the flight crew reported that the purpose of the flight was for
maintenance/systems checks and crew proficiency. The flight departed from Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, approximately 1230 en route to Everett, Paine Field (PAE). The Captain reported that he made a full stop landing at PAE without incident.  The aircraft was taxied back to the runway and the takeoff was initiated.
 
  Shortly after lift-off, the number three engine experienced a momentary surge, then normalized. Due to this anomaly, the flight crew decided to discontinue the flight activities and return
to BFI. In preparation for landing at BFI, the landing gear was lowered, however, the left main gear did not fully extend. The approach was aborted to orbit the area
 to try and remedy the situation.
 
  The Captain reported that the flight engineer at the radio station, left his station to try and manually hand-crank the left gear down. After a few minutes, the flight crew reported a green
  (fully extended) light for the left main. The flight then headed back to BFI when a low fuel pressure light was noted for the number three engine followed by a loss
 of power.
 
  The flight crew feathered the engine when low fuel pressure was noted to the remaining three engines which all subsequently began to lose power.  The Captain reported that he did not believe that the aircraft could make it safely to BFI and opted to ditch the aircraft in Elliott Bay near the shoreline.
 
  The aircraft impacted the water in a slightly right wing low, level attitude and remained upright. The aircraft remained afloat and all four flight crew members safely exited the aircraft an were rescue within minutes of the accident.
 
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  And now for the REST of the story........ I just talked to Jerry Janes today, who himself just finished talking to his "mole" at Boeing... Someone in the maintenance department, who was in on the Boeing interview of the pilots afterwards... The story is that these highly trained Boeing test pilots decided they'd take this airplane out for a flight, to do some circuits. They were paying for it themselves, out of their own pockets, so elected to only put *300 gallons* of gas in it when they
  were on the ground at Boeing Field. They were hoping to avoid Galvin Flying's extra 0.04/gallon by putting more in when they got to Paine Field (where gas was cheaper) to do circuits.
 
  Somewhere enroute to Paine Field, the fuel situation was driven from their mind, probably because they were having so much fun flying...so they did circuits at Paine until the #3 engine
 coughed, then died.  They feathered the prop, and decided they should probably land to investigate.
 
  They selected gear down, to find that the gear leg under the #3 engine wouldn't lower, because the hydraulic pump needed to do that was powered by the #3 engine (now feathered).  So they
lowered the gear leg manually, but decided (get this) to fly *back to Boeing Field* to park the plane, rather than land at Paine Field. Shortly after making that bright decision, the other engines started failing. No engines were running by the time it ditched, and three of the four props weren't feathered.
 
  The kicker here:  The Stratoliner's maintenance base is apparently *at Paine Field*.  Any maintenance to be done would require that it be brought back to Paine Field anyway (or a bunch of equipment moved to Boeing Field). When asked why they wanted to bring it back to Boeing Field, the response was  "Well, our cars were at Boeing Field".  Someone should have asked where their *boats* were.
 
  A detail that may be useful, if you're keeping track in your head:
  According to Jerry, these engines, at 30" manifold and 2000 rpm, would burn about 50 gal/hr each in  cruise, and would average more like 70-80 gal/hr each if you were doing circuits. Some things that weren't reported in the article below:
  When they peeled back the interior linings, they found that "it's all twisted at the bulkhead where the spar attaches to the fuselage"  (Jerry's words). I didn't think to ask whether Jerry meant that the spar is twisted, the bulkhead is twisted, or what. Jerry said that both main gear legs were both ripped off by the ditching, and were found floating next to the aircraft... I thought I saw one hanging from the engine in  the photos that Mark sent the link to, but I could be wrong.
 
  The official explanation to date is that the engines failed due to "air in the fuel lines". I guess that's one way of putting it.  My take is that the dipsticks were in the cockpit, and not in the fuel tanks.

The above from an e-mail I received today.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2002, 07:38:15 AM »
Wow, it's too bad a plane like that has to get totalled because the crew all brain farts simultaeously.

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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2002, 08:41:49 AM »
Consistent with what I've heard too Weave.  Actually my wife knew what happened about 1 hour after it happened, as she worked the ER room at Harborview that day, when the pilots were transferred for observation to the unit..she came home and said "They argued in the lobby, blaming each other for lack of fuel in the airplane." :eek:

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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2002, 09:19:27 AM »
"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect."

I know these guys feel terrible about what they did. In fact, one or more of them will probably have some serious mental distress over it.

But, like aviation, most of us are going to be terribly unforgiving since they wrecked an incredibly beautiful and rare aircraft in an incredibly stupid way.

I say that knowing full well that on any given day it could have been any one of us. Everyone makes mistakes.

Still, you wear the stripes, you take the responsibility. It's part of the deal.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2002, 04:02:22 PM »
What grabs me is the FAA and the Airline industry speaking outta its bellybutton on this.. if the fact is they ran outta gas, then why not just state "The aircrew did not insure minimum saftey levels of fuel... the aircraft ran outta gas." Instead we hear about the 'air in the fuel lines". Of course.. the next thing I'll hear is 'the investigation is not complete'.. horseshit. It ran outta gas.. just say so.

Crap like this makes me look at investigations like TWA Flight 800 and go...."riiiiiiiight. totally belivable.'

And this kinda 'spin doctoring' ain't just in the airline industry either.. it's rampant anywhere where the folks in 'control' are alleged to be 'professional'.

Doctors
Lawyers
Politicians
Journalists
etc, etc..

Now, on the other hand if some non-college certified carpenter screws up on the concrete mix, 18 seconds after the buildings balcony folds when it's loaded to three times it's designed stress level, his bellybutton is burning in the fire on CNN!

Buncha toejam; sez I....
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...at home, or abroad.