Author Topic: Spit XIV ~ 60 points for that? (Read 555 times)

BotaBing · « **Reply #15 on:** May 11, 2002, 11:54:12 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Still you will never earn fighter perk points by just playing the tanks and ostwind. Which is fine if you like ground combat so much but then dont complain about perk plane cost.

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BotaBing Tour 28 5-01-02 thru 5-31-02

Model Type Kills In
A6M5b 1
F4U-1C 3
F4U-1D 41
F6F-5 3
N1K2 77
P-38L 7
P-51D 7
Spitfire Mk IX 48
Typhoon IB 1
Yak-9U 1
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I've got about 189 kills in 10 different fighters so far this tour.

SOB · « **Reply #16 on:** May 11, 2002, 11:58:00 PM »

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For those of us who were not playing when the perks were free, we are at a serious disadvantage in that department.

Well, since you're talking about the Spit XIV, you aren't at a disadvantage. It was never free. In fact, the only plane that was, as you mentioned, was the F4U-1C. And actually, it was free well into the period when we had perked aircraft.

If you do want to get a feel for a perk plane, fly it offline. The flight model is the same offline, and they don't charge you to fly 'em there. I promise.

SOB

BotaBing · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2002, 12:04:36 AM »

Yes, ive tried it offline. But, I find it hard to get the same combat experience when not flying in the main arena.

Karnak · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2002, 01:15:15 AM »

GRUNHERZ,

Yes, the Spit XIV needs to be flown exclusively as a BnZ fighter.

Why?

Because of that cursed icon, not due to a lack of ability of the Spit XIV.

If the Bf109G-10 was iconed and displayed as a Spit XIV on other people's systems for a day, its K/D ratio would plummet.

The reason the Bf109G-10 is able to use those tactics and survive is because it doesn't generate a whole crowd that is fixated solely on killing it.

There is no need to resort to arrogant and self congratulatory ideas about the players who fly the Bf109G-10 being vastly better than the players who fly the Spit XIV.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2002, 01:37:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
There is no need to resort to arrogant and self congratulatory ideas about the players who fly the Bf109G-10 being vastly better than the players who fly the Spit XIV. [/B]

Sure there would be a need If I said such a thing ,which I did not , simply because it's fun. All I said was that most spittie pilots cant fly well. You added the Bf109 superiority pilot thing, not me.
Nontheless thanks we appreciate your support.

All kidding aside the Spit XIV is the best all around fighter in the game as it can easily kick bellybutton at all alts using its speed, climb, acceleration and if need be pretty damn good turning.

Stop whining!

Hristo · « **Reply #20 on:** May 12, 2002, 02:08:34 AM »

One thing is sure in this game. A perk icon turns even the most conservative shot into a wild spray'n'pray dweeb. Don't believe it ? Fly a 262 for one sortie. It will be like you meet total newbies - all going HO at you, diving from 20k to the deck, spraying from 2k etc etc. I even somehow perversely enjoy it

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Spit XIV is a remarkable plane who would surely do better without the perk icon. BUT, so would the Ta152 ! Or Ar234 !

If I am in 190A-8 and see couple of Spit-iconed whirling dervishes down on the deck, I will check for other cons before I start my BnZ.

If There is a Spit XIV icon among them down low, you bet it is gonna be my first target and I will take more chances. Same for Ta152 or any other perk plane.

The only perk plane this rule doesn't apply to is the C-Hog. You can fly that dweeb-mobile and be safe from perk gangbangs.

IMO, there is no doubt that perk icon hurts the SpitXIV. IMO, it should not have been perked at all. Not unless P51D, La7 and Dora are perked too.

I saw a Spit XIV flown very conservatively vs 3 D-9s, He had alt advantage and never lost it. However, his score vs us was nil. Eventually, someone got him. He died only to his mistake or maybe frustration - he could always get out if he wanted. On the other hand, I saw SpitXIVs flown without survival in mind - well, they died.

Karnak · « **Reply #21 on:** May 12, 2002, 02:10:02 AM »

Botabing,

Yes, you have kills in 10 different fighters, but look at the fighters you have kills in:

N1K2 77 kills: This is the worst perk getter of AH. With its ENY of 10, if you shoot down a Mossie or C.205 you get a whopping .25 points. Conversely, if you're in a Mossie, C.205 or any other aircraft with a 40 ENY, you get 4 points for shooting down the N1K2. That is 16 times as many perk points.

The Spit IX is just as bad as the N1K2. The F4U-1D ain't much better.

You need to fly aircraft with high ENY values. Try things like Bf109F-4s, Bf109G-2s, F4U-1s, Hurricane Mk IICs, Mosquito Mk VIs, P-47D-11s, C.205s, Ki-61s, La-5FNs, P-51Bs, Fw190A-5s and Yak-9Ts. I think that you'll find at least a few aircraft that you like in there, all of those are pretty easy to use, and your perk points will climb much, much, much faster.

Try them out, they're not that much harder to be successful in than the N1K2, Spitfire Mk IX and F4U-1D.

Innominate · « **Reply #22 on:** May 12, 2002, 04:52:27 AM »

The problem isnt the cost, The cost is fine. The problem with the f4u4, spit14, etc is that it turns you into a giant KILL ME sign. As things stand, outside of the 262, the f4u-1C is the only perk plane really worth using, because it wont turn you into a bullseye. Sure you can use this to your advantage, but it basicly rules out fighting like normal with everyone trying to get YOU. How can you tell a spit9 from a spit14 5000 yards out anyways?

Crazy idea,
What would happen if all but the early war planes were perked? Not heavily perked, but 1-10 perks, depending on when they entered service, and how many. Enough that it wouldnt be too hard to earn back the perks during the sortie, but enough that you couldnt constantly suicide...

Urchin · « **Reply #23 on:** May 12, 2002, 07:30:18 AM »

Been brought up before, it'll never happen in the MA. Too many people enjoy flying one particular plane. It has happened like that in the CT before, not a real big deal. Basically what you see is everyone flying the 'best' free plane. For instance, in a 'tour' where it is Brits and Germans, and the Spit IX is perked but the Spit V and I are free, you will see 99% Spit Vs and 1% Spit I's. On the other side, where say the 109G2, F4, and E4 and 190A5 are free, you will see mostly 109G2s and 190A5s.

thrila · « **Reply #24 on:** May 12, 2002, 08:26:51 AM »

Grunherz u seem hell bent on the idea that people don't know how to fly the spit14. Being 60 perks most "spit dweebs" wont ever afford one because of the spit9's extremely low ENY- therefor your theory goes right out the window.

The people that can fly one are the people with perks, therefor they must be half decent with a stick. The spit14 just isn't fast enough to survive in the MA- unless you go to 27k where the only plane you'll find is the odd lancaster every couple of sorties.

The spit14 should either have it's perk cost lowered or it's icon changed to a normal spit icon, or preferablly both.

I've only flown the spit14 a few times and i'm 6:3 in total- it's just not possible to fly a spit14 with the neon "spit14 please gangme" icon.

air_guard · « **Reply #25 on:** May 12, 2002, 09:53:37 AM »

The perk for the spit 14 had been just fine if it wasnt for the "get me" tag it has.

I have a 9-1 kill/death and the one death i have is from a lame la7 that dived from 12 k to shoot me down when i landed at a base with all ack up. He dived down and got me just as i hit the brakes, but he also died in the attempt. ( I did not land at a vulched base it was only him and me + 4 friendlys 2 of them was b17`s that just had taken off lol, and ofcourse he wanted the spit14 hehe)

This is plain stupid cause he would never done that othewise the stupid spit14 tag.

airguard

Angus · « **Reply #26 on:** May 12, 2002, 11:10:57 AM »

Speaking of perks,,,,
A good way to get them is by flying the 109F. Just stay away from spits and nikis, and you are nicely on par with the rest. While being slower, it does not show so well with your "109" icon. Its a delightful plane, think of it as a spit in a 109 disguise. So, many planes will try to turn with you, (mustangs, F6F's, F4u's, 109's etc) and when they find out that you can out-turn them, it is too late. BOOM and a lotta perks

For base scrambles, the Hurricane is good, the IIC can just HO anything, and turns like a swine on fire.
I would sincerely vote for the Spit14 getting just the Spit icon, and being a wee bit cheaper though. It was namely flown like a Spit in real life anyway.

RatPenat · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2002, 03:14:24 AM »

It is easy perked planes need to have a normal icon name to avoid general gangbang or fox hunt:

Tempest =Tyffi
Spit XIV= Spit
F4U4=F4U
Ta152 = 190

P-51D, La7, Fw190 D9, Bf109 G10 & niki need to be perked as F4UC-1 between 1-10 perks.
Ummmmm Lancaster and B17 maybe perked too (1-10 perks). Bombers pilots can employ lots different buff but they allways in 2 or 3 (Lancaster,B17 or B26), I can only see Ju's, TBM's or Ki's when they employing torpedoes. They have a lot of perks to expend.
Flak and Panzers maybe perked (1-5 perks), employ M8 or M16 as free choices.

Reduce Spit XIV perks??? YOU ARE ALL CRAZY!!! Spit XIV is a killing machine. F4U4 is near P51D with more ammo and armour and it cost 50 perks. Why Spit may cost less? only because more planes were built.

Virage · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2002, 03:35:41 AM »

Keep the perk tags. Learn to fly.

air_guard · « **Reply #29 on:** May 13, 2002, 05:04:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Virage
Keep the perk tags. Learn to fly.

hehe look at my last post here that has nothing with flying to do

but got somthing with tags to do lol

airguard