A few things that really piss me off in AH(sry for language)

[Wingnut_0]

LOL Dago!

Congrats on your post.  Cause I found my self laughing at some of the most idiotic answers I've seen ppl throw out here on this board.

You completely missed what he was saying in 98% of that post cause you were too busy trying to flame the guy for what u wanted to hear.  Bravo!

[Fokker]

I go with Dago most of the way.

Chogs and Nikis aint that kind of pain. There are many, so what? Both are nice targets and pretty easy to kill if you take the time to learn how and which plane to use.

[SOB]

And Hazed proves again that the LuftWaffle Conspiracy Theory is alive and kicking!  


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[firbal]

Sounds like someone thinks they know whats best for the rest of us. What an ego! It doesn' matter what aircraft I fly, I still die. I don't wine about it. It's a fact of life in here. I'm a bomber dude. I suck at those pointy things. Big deal. I don't need to cry about it.

[Dago]

LOL Wingnut, you have made my post the "not the most idiotic post" by posting yours.  

I think I got the jist of the original post.

Lets summarize:
1) Other guys HO him, but he doesnt HO back.
(except that it takes 2 planes pointing their noses at each other to truly have an HO and he doesnt explain how he is innocent of the offense himself)

2)Other guys have no right to shoot at a con if he wants it all to himself.  Wouldnt it be wonderful if we could call dibs?  It just doesnt work that way, other guys come in, see a con and shoot at it.  They have no way of knowing what has gone on before, just that there is a flying con and yes, they do have as much right as anyone to shoot at it.

3)Everyone is supposed to call his 6.  He seems to assume again that everyone is watching him and his fighting.  Nobody is owed a 6 call!   If you get one, great. If not, too bad.  I have seen many times guys squeak about no 6 call when in fact they had received several.

4) Still dont understand his next comment, but it seems to be a whine about gunnery, bullet strenght, and his lack of ability to make a solid kill.

5) Next, he thinks that the best fighters should have the lowest point multiplier.  I honestly think they do, but again, I dont pay much attention to that stuff.  Please enlighten me Wingnut where I am wrong here.

Finally, he closes with a left handed attempt to act gracious towards Hog and Nik drivers, but still throws in a little jab.

So Wingnut, if I missed the point, please elaborate exactly what it is.  Make his point clearer for me.  I guess it isn't:
He doesnt like that others are flying a plane they enjoy and he has trouble killing, and, we are responsible for watching his 6 so he can fly with poor SA, and, he gets the first and only crack at a con?

Share with me oh great one.  

Oh, I forgot, you only wanted to insult me without trying to make any real point.

My original responce was made to present a "devils advocate" point of view, with a hope that he might understand others views regarding his concerns.  He offered nothing constructive, no advice, no encouragment, just complaints.  

Dago
(btw, I fly the spit most of the time)  

[DRILL]

 >>>Sips drink moves on ...sigh!!

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[Wingnut_0]

Frankly Dago, Your post along with several other responses here are nothing but trying to paint that guy as some kind of whiner.  The key work here in this community is Whiner...Whiner..

Anytime someone post something and that person fly's a LW AC well he's just whining and then someone who doesn't comes along and says the same dam thing it's fine.  

Getting tired of the Gaming attitude around here and your post does nothing but prove that to me.  

So cause he doens't like ppl jumping in and stealing his kill when he's been fighting the guy for awhile, that's not ok?  

Cause he get's annoyed cause every gamer flying a Chawg try's to force a HO, he should get over it?

Because some ppl on his team will sit there and not call his 6 for him when he does for them he shouldn't get ticked?

Your number 4 comment?  "Seems to be a whine"  "and his lack of ability to make a solid kill"  

Your post is nothing but one large smart bellybutton comment and is an outstanding example why sevral ppl are getting fed up with the community. He offered nothing constructive?  Well you weren't exactly a fountain of knowledge Cochise.

So if you don't like his thread, ignore it.  It's his thread, his opinion and he can keep it.  

 




[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 04-23-2001).]

[Fatty]

Wingnut, a lot of us fly LW, and a lot of other things.  The preface alone says, paraphrased

 "this is not addressed to the many LW fans I am flying with...there are many many players that fly around without any amount of skill, HOing all day"

Now, where would someone get the LW superiority/whining complex from?

How many US/Italy/UK/Russian/Japanese flyers open their posts with "this is not directed to my fellow <insert plane type> flyers, I know you guys are better.  It's to all the crummy fliers that fly LW planes because they have no skill."

[AKSeaWulfe]

I hear ya Fatty...
This isn't directed at any of my fellow C47 pilots, but man don't you get tired of the dweebs flying plane's with guns and constantly shooting us down? Especially the LimpWristed LeatherWearing LittleWienered LuftWeenies, those guys are so skill less they actually RUN INTO the ground trying to shoot my C47 down.
-SW

[Dago]

The fun continues, and since I seem to be in a typing mood today, lets look at a couple of your statements Wingnut.

"So cause he doens't like ppl jumping in and stealing his kill when he's been fighting the guy for awhile, that's not ok?"

Nobody likes having someone jump into the middle of a good fight, one that they have been working.  The fact remains none the less that in most cases, the guy jumping in to help just might think he is doing just that, helping.  Also, it is a mistake to think that others know anything about the fight you have been engaged in.  They see a con, they attack the con.  Thats the way it is. Doing so isn't really wrong.

"Cause he get's annoyed cause every gamer flying a Chawg try's to force a HO, he should get over it?"

He doesnt like the fact that some Chogs will gladly take an HO against him?  Big freaking deal. It just so happens that the HO is a heck of a tactic when you have them big assed cannons sticking out front.  I find this whine as silly, no, even more silly than those who complain when a P51 or 190 run from a turn fight.  Know your planes strengths and use them to your best advantage.  Any hog driver who engages in a turn fight with a lighter armed and better turning aircraft, when he could have blown him away with a HO is a fool.  I had the good luck of staying at a hotel last fall that had a reunion get together of a WWII P38 squadron being held there at the time. I spent as much time as I could talking with these guys about everything I could, and the subject of HO attacks came up.  They told me that they "specialized" in HO attacks on the German aircraft as the P38 had such great centerline guns, and of course didnt stand a chance turning with the German aircraft.  Seems HO's are a historical fact, embraced by REAL fighter pilots when it was a strength.

I think if someone, anyone, doesnt like HO's, they should avoid them. Dont whine about others doing them.  ALL HO's have to have one thing: BOTH AIRCRAFT DOING IT.

"Because some ppl on his team will sit there and not call his 6 for him when he does for them he shouldn't get ticked?"

Not getting 6 calls sucks, I agree, but I also believe nobody owes you one, and we shouldnt complain because we didnt get one.

My original responce is a reaction to the fact that this thread started with a post about how all the other guys are screwing up the game by not playing in a manner that favors this one guy.  Some guys think this game exists just so they can build up their ego by being a great fighter pilot, and when reality intrudes, they lash out.

I suffer no such illusion, I die regularly and I dont care.  Many players routinely kick my butt in the game.  I got used to it.

Dont come on here, start a thread bashing the majority of players in this game and expect a bunch of support.  Why does anyone think they should exclude the LW types as if they are superior and use better tactics?

There was no point to the original thread, just a frustrated player venting at the expense of alot of players, and I for one thing he needs to expand his thinking a little.

Dago

[Wingnut_0]

Fatty,

Let me redirect this focus....Does his view on LW AC make the rest of his post any less?  He said his LW flyers in JG54...he didn't say all them...and included other ppl.  Sounds to me like he didn't want his squadies thinking the 6 calls or steal killing was directed to them.  From what I read you and Dago both jumped to conclusion by reading only what u wanted to read.

There's several threads rolling now and have in the past about what quite a few (and I'm not going by just BBS posters) feel is are some major set backs to this game.

When anyone brings these up, the same old ppl attack the person, if not outright, by flamebasting him cause the person must not be doing something right, yada yada yada.

You may feel your right, he feels he is....should his be thrown out anymore than ur opinion?  As pointed out, only a handful post on this BBS and therefore only a view of a minority?  I hear the same things everytime I log in.

Most of the time I stay out of these threads but quite frankly dago's post pissed me off.  Naudet fly's on my team but I'm not a squadie..I've known him awhile but wouldn't say I know him very well.  So this isn't about taking up for him.  This is simply cause I at least am tired of seeing someone get a host of BS reply's when he feels something is out of wack or wants to make a public statement over something that annoy's him (like kill stealing).  

So I'm going to shut up and end the post...because this BBS is annoying me and I need to go take my blood pressure medicine.




[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 04-23-2001).]

[Fatty]

This has nothing to do with his right to post his opinion.  It's several statements pointing out that this is a perfect example of what has developed the LuftWhiner stereotype.  Whether or not the rest of the post makes any sense, self-defined as biased from the opening 2 sentences.

[Sturm]

Well Naudet is a friend of mine and has been for quite sometime now.  Considering he is from a foreign country and posting in our language is applaudable.  but saying he is a whiner or a LW whiner is not what I am gathering out of this thread at all.  

He is voicing his opinion on the gameplay and things that are making him mad.  I think it is safe to say that a lot of us feel the same way he does.  What really needs to be looked at is where this community is going.        

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[Dago]

I dont care if anyone flys LW, or whatever.

I probably shouldnt care that someone comes on here and complains.  Lament the community if you want, but step back and look at the beginning of this thread.  Is it a positive example of the community?

Hide behind the "community" thing now?  Give me a break.  I guess you prefer a community of complainers and poor losers.  Try and show HTC some support and get attacked as a cheerleader.  Piss and moan and all of a sudden you are a great guy of outstanding honesty and a valued member of the "community".

This thread started merely as a complaint about the fact that many players dont do as one person wants them to do. No suggestions, nothing really positive.

Just how many threads have to whine about the CHOG???  Perk this, perk that, HO dweebs.  Sheessssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

If ya want to whine, whine about something new and original, please.

BTW, I never take this stuff personal, its just part of the fun of debate.    

Dago

[Reschke]

I still laugh at everyone who has for the entire length of development for this game been saying that gunners on bombers are too good.  Yes I have been here in one form or another since way back in early beta testing and it was talked about then also.

Please people if you would start using tactics that work and not sit at the low or dead 6 position you might be able to live through the flight.  Some of you people might want to start using slashing attacks on all bombers or find the blind spot and go in on that area.

My rant now I am off to bed.

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