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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2002, 04:22:18 AM »
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Sorry for partially hijacking this thread, but... in your opinion, who would qualify as modern masterpiece creators, Instrumental Soundtracks-wise?

Here go my favourites:

Elmer Bernstein
John Williams
Ennio Morricone
Jerry Goldsmith
James Horner
Hans Zimmer


Daniel

Morricone is my fav. That man had an almost scary sense for capturing emotions with music.
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2002, 09:33:05 AM »
Hey Nath, let's sit down over a cold one and talk about it. We could be the classical dweebs of AH. ;)

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2002, 04:01:25 PM »
hehe... a dissapointingly esoteric group.
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2002, 04:46:53 PM »
Exit:  Music
Re-Enter:  Movie

--The Good-- Casting was well done, Anakin was well casted, Dooku was well casted, Mace Windu didnt disapoint.  Effects, who can argue with the land battle scenes in the last hour?  Yoda... what else has to be said be said.  Excellent sound, lightsabers sound like they have a personally all to themselves, music... John Williams, come on.  Only 30 seconds of Jar Jar Binks dialogue.
--The Bad-- Dialogue... way... way... way too much.  Not all of it "cheesy" but 90% of it unnecessary.  "Anikan, Im going to the bathroom now."  "Are you going to wipe?"  "Yes Im going to wipe."  "...Im going now."  "Im wiping."  "Ok, Im done going to the bathroom."  "Good, I am glad you are done going to the bathroom."  (No this is not an actualy exchange, but gives you an idea of the absurdity of some of the conversation.)  Some of the scenes between Anakin and Padme were borderline embarressing, poorly acted, and well.. just bad.  Anakin... while well cast, is not going to get an emmy.  Some good scenes, some bad scenes... again, too much dialogue that ruined them.  
--The Ugly--  Some of the characters... they actually were ugly.  Who the hell is Dex?  (Big weird thing from the bar talking with Obi Wan.)  Obi Wan is a hack... an amature Jedi - gets his bellybutton kicked in in every movie so far.  Jengo Fett... the only actor that performed worse than his lackluster attempt was his son Boba Fett... again, pointless lines and absolutely NO personality on both counts.  Oh.. and those centipede looking things that try to kill Padme... now those are ugly.

--The Verdict--  Is is Star Wars?  Yes.  Is it better than Episode I?  By 12 parsecs.  Is it as good as the original?  No.  Good music, good action sequences.  Everything is starting to tie in together (We see plans for the Death Star, Clone Troopers look like Storm Troopers, and the Troop Transports look like smaller Imperial Star Destroyers.)  But the new movies are lacking what the originals had... style.  The technology is getting in the way of a good story.  The scene where Anikan flips out and goes ninja on the sand people was unnecessary.  The "feel" of the original could have been maintained by showing his face... very angry... and the sound of a lightsaber ignighting, maybe a blue hue... and thats it.  Next scene.  People arent able to form their own theories with the new ones... that was the draw to the old ones... what happened, who was who, when did this occur, what was meant by this?  The new movies answer all of these questions for us... there is nothing except a "good movie" there is no debate and analysis of events afterwards.

Example:  

2 Best lines/scenes from Original Trilogy

1.  The Empire Strikes Back:  Darth Vader - "Far too easy..." (Flips on switch for carbon freeze)
2.  A New Hope:  Obi Wan Kenobi - "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."  (Consequently gets his head removed)

2 Best lines/scenes from New Trilogy
::sound of wind... somewhere a pin drops::
No seriously...

There arent any... they are all saturated with dialogue and the is no "mystery" to what is being done or said... "Far too easy" in new trilogy speak is "Fighting Luke is too easy, now that he is down in the carbon freeze vent, I am going to use my force powers to flip the switch 20 feet away."  See the problem?  IMHO, it is becoming less Star Wars and more Star Trek... strage technologies... visual effects just for the sake of visual effects.. bland action, and bad dialogue.

If I could pick one scene from Episode II that I thought had the feel of the original - and youll know it when you see it - it is when Anikan and Padme are on Tatooine and Anikan brings his mother home wraped in a cloth.  Camera closes up on his face - not a word is spoke, and you know he's pissed... then camera shows Padme coming out of little desert hut with simple blue sky and yellow sand.  NO DIALOGUE - emotion is imagined by the audience, not explained by the movie - like a good book.

Wow... I got into that huh?  Im done, carry on.

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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2002, 07:37:30 PM »
Yoda is not one to be trifled with;)  Great effects, great story line, but I am a Star Wars nut.
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2002, 08:30:45 PM »
The scene where Anikan flips out and goes ninja on the sand people was unnecessary.


You just don't get it do you........

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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2002, 09:40:25 PM »
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Too funny... the typical cheerleader comes in and rides on someone elses coattails to try and get at me. And banana wasn't even trying to challenge me; it seemed more like he was just starting a conversation... which I respect.


As predictable as Pavlov and his dog.  :)

No need to get in a bunch there Nath.

First off, banana and I have this running joke.

Secondly, I've done abit of classical study and playing myself during my life....actually quite alot, and have had the chance to play with and take lessons from some people I really respect.

It's alot more fun doing that than typing ad naseum about it.  So no need to get all Nath on me.  :)

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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2002, 10:50:55 PM »
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As predictable as Pavlov and his dog.  :)

No need to get in a bunch there Nath.

First off, banana and I have this running joke.

Secondly, I've done abit of classical study and playing myself during my life....actually quite alot, and have had the chance to play with and take lessons from some people I really respect.

It's alot more fun doing that than typing ad naseum about it.  So no need to get all Nath on me.  :)

Cobra


laff...

Why don't you just get someone else to post here about how much you know, than just saying it yourself? Might be more effective in getting people to believe in your faux music expertise. No one's ever going to care about how much you know if you never converse with it--I'm amazed you haven't learned this already. Instead, you decide to come here and attempt a bad "get at Nath in the only way I can--on the boards" routine. Get a new posting style--your's is quite the trite. ;)

Another thing, why are you even here babbling about how well-to-do you are in real life? Go play your with your instrument; I enjoy conversing with actual intellectual people about the subject.
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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2002, 11:06:23 PM »
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laff...

Why don't you just get someone else to post here about how much you know, than just saying it yourself? Might be more effective in getting people to believe in your faux music expertise. No one's ever going to care about how much you know if you never converse with it--I'm amazed you haven't learned this already. Instead, you decide to come here and attempt a bad "get at Nath in the only way I can--on the boards" routine. Get a new posting style--your's is quite the trite. ;)

Another thing, why are you even here babbling about how well-to-do you are in real life? Go play your with your instrument; I enjoy conversing with actual intellectual people about the subject.


Nath,
You might think I'm someone else on this board that you had a "discussion" with regarding choice of music.  I'm not that person.

I don't think I've ever posted anything about you on this board before.

Hehe...never claimed or babbled about  a well-to-do life on this board or in this thread, not sure where you're coming from on this one :)  

Just said I've had a some experience in this area...no more, no less.

Infer what you want :)   And like I said..banana and I have this running joke, so just slow down a little and breathe.

But your first paragraph above is a whopper. :)

And, yes, I did take my kids to see Star Wars this afternoon.  It was fun.

 

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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2002, 12:41:33 AM »
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Why don't you just get someone else to post here about how much you know, than just saying it yourself? Might be more effective in getting people to believe in your faux music expertise. No one's ever going to care about how much you know if you never converse with it--I'm amazed you haven't learned this already.
You misphrased that...

No one is ever going to believe in someone's musical "expertise" if all they do is converse about it.

I'm not really that suprised you haven't learned this already.

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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2002, 12:45:42 AM »
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Nath,
You might think I'm someone else on this board that you had a "discussion" with regarding choice of music.  I'm not that person.


Where did I impy this? Nowhere.

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I don't think I've ever posted anything about you on this board before.


Neither do I, well up until your "banana game set match blah blah" piece of platitude... and don't come back here saying that your statement was a just a personal joke between you and banana--because it might have been, but it was also a blatently invidious remark to me, as well as others.

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Hehe...never claimed or babbled about  a well-to-do life on this board or in this thread, not sure where you're coming from on this one :)


whats this?

"Secondly, I've done abit of classical study and playing myself during my life....actually quite alot, and have had the chance to play with and take lessons from some people I really respect."

Seems like something you are trying to prove here, with no prior posting to me about Classical music. As I said, if you have such a wonderfully enriched musical life, go live it, and stop coming here posting about how well-to-do you are in the field; unless of course you wish to converse here about the subject--perhaps then you will be of some interest.
 

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Just said I've had a some experience in this area...no more, no less.


I respect a humil statement like this, however, not when it's proceding an obvious troll like your first post.

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Infer what you want :)   And like I said..banana and I have this running joke, so just slow down a little and breathe.


You have this running joke with banana? What is this? Looks like a poor attempt at extenuating your recently self-realized mistake at trolling me.
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2002, 12:54:55 AM »
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You misphrased that...

No one is ever going to believe in someone's musical "expertise" if all they do is converse about it.

I'm not really that suprised you haven't learned this already.

AKDejaVu


rolf... you really are as dull as I thought. Seems to me that you never have anything interesting to talk about (save for the posts that allow Lev to make a mockery of you)--you don't have the intellectual experience to make such a remark as the one quoted.

Your life must be woefully boring.
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2002, 12:58:20 AM »
what a facinating thread.
Its like Naths dialog was written by George Lucas......

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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2002, 01:03:27 AM »
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Exit:  Music
Re-Enter:  Movie

--The Good-- Casting was well done, Anakin was well casted, Dooku was well casted, Mace Windu didnt disapoint.  Effects, who can argue with the land battle scenes in the last hour?  Yoda... what else has to be said be said.  Excellent sound, lightsabers sound like they have a personally all to themselves, music... John Williams, come on.  Only 30 seconds of Jar Jar Binks dialogue.
--The Bad-- Dialogue... way... way... way too much.  Not all of it "cheesy" but 90% of it unnecessary.  "Anikan, Im going to the bathroom now."  "Are you going to wipe?"  "Yes Im going to wipe."  "...Im going now."  "Im wiping."  "Ok, Im done going to the bathroom."  "Good, I am glad you are done going to the bathroom."  (No this is not an actualy exchange, but gives you an idea of the absurdity of some of the conversation.)  Some of the scenes between Anakin and Padme were borderline embarressing, poorly acted, and well.. just bad.  Anakin... while well cast, is not going to get an emmy.  Some good scenes, some bad scenes... again, too much dialogue that ruined them.  
--The Ugly--  Some of the characters... they actually were ugly.  Who the hell is Dex?  (Big weird thing from the bar talking with Obi Wan.)  Obi Wan is a hack... an amature Jedi - gets his bellybutton kicked in in every movie so far.  Jengo Fett... the only actor that performed worse than his lackluster attempt was his son Boba Fett... again, pointless lines and absolutely NO personality on both counts.  Oh.. and those centipede looking things that try to kill Padme... now those are ugly.

--The Verdict--  Is is Star Wars?  Yes.  Is it better than Episode I?  By 12 parsecs.  Is it as good as the original?  No.  Good music, good action sequences.  Everything is starting to tie in together (We see plans for the Death Star, Clone Troopers look like Storm Troopers, and the Troop Transports look like smaller Imperial Star Destroyers.)  But the new movies are lacking what the originals had... style.  The technology is getting in the way of a good story.  The scene where Anikan flips out and goes ninja on the sand people was unnecessary.  The "feel" of the original could have been maintained by showing his face... very angry... and the sound of a lightsaber ignighting, maybe a blue hue... and thats it.  Next scene.  People arent able to form their own theories with the new ones... that was the draw to the old ones... what happened, who was who, when did this occur, what was meant by this?  The new movies answer all of these questions for us... there is nothing except a "good movie" there is no debate and analysis of events afterwards.

Example:  

2 Best lines/scenes from Original Trilogy

1.  The Empire Strikes Back:  Darth Vader - "Far too easy..." (Flips on switch for carbon freeze)
2.  A New Hope:  Obi Wan Kenobi - "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."  (Consequently gets his head removed)

2 Best lines/scenes from New Trilogy
::sound of wind... somewhere a pin drops::
No seriously...

There arent any... they are all saturated with dialogue and the is no "mystery" to what is being done or said... "Far too easy" in new trilogy speak is "Fighting Luke is too easy, now that he is down in the carbon freeze vent, I am going to use my force powers to flip the switch 20 feet away."  See the problem?  IMHO, it is becoming less Star Wars and more Star Trek... strage technologies... visual effects just for the sake of visual effects.. bland action, and bad dialogue.

If I could pick one scene from Episode II that I thought had the feel of the original - and youll know it when you see it - it is when Anikan and Padme are on Tatooine and Anikan brings his mother home wraped in a cloth.  Camera closes up on his face - not a word is spoke, and you know he's pissed... then camera shows Padme coming out of little desert hut with simple blue sky and yellow sand.  NO DIALOGUE - emotion is imagined by the audience, not explained by the movie - like a good book.

Wow... I got into that huh?  Im done, carry on.


LOL, but what do you really think?   :)
I haven't seen it yet (waiting for the lines to get shorter), good explaination of your view of the movie.  SALUTE

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2002, 01:03:36 AM »
Nath sure gives that thesaurus of his a nice workout......