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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2002, 11:04:04 AM »
The reason low-alt uber planes should be perked IMO is that MOST, almost all fights take place bellow 10k.

That an LA7 outclimb many things at 20k is true, check it charts, although it doesn't have wep it climbs good there and accelerates good.

My experience tells me it doesn't hold E good there though nor turn good above 20k, only fought against it once up there though.
Uhmm, "fought" he was at 25k, he tried normal uber loop but soon found out a TA152 at 25k was a bit too much for him, he went vertical from 25k to 5k and I didn't feel like following.
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« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2002, 11:31:04 AM »
I've fought LA7's at 25k, they are just as dangerous as a 205 or not-so-fast P-51.

They dont accelerate as fast as they do down below...but then again, neither does any other fighter up high (except for d9, 109g10 and ta152).

However, the la7 up there still has its impressive dive and top speed and zoom capability.In all, I'd put the 15k+ La7 in par with the 190A5/A8... dive and zoom up, dive and zoom up. If they fight gets low, then la7 gains even more advantages (and they will dive to the deck if in trouble).

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« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2002, 11:35:17 AM »
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Not arguing for the sake of it, trying to make you understand what the TA152 is and what the LA7 is since you so much wanna compare these two. Fact is, push P in any plane at ANY alt and you'll hear a increase in the engine, doens't matter if it gives you more power or not so that's just a bad thing to bring in.

Like I said before, LA7 still outclimb s ALOT of things at 20k as long as those things don't use WEP, if those other planes USE Wep the LA7 can still keep up with them.


obviously, we arent communicating. Sorry aboiut that.

Minus blurted
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at 20 k La7 out turn out climb my Ta152 , just wonder how the tini wings perform so god so high


I responded with the charts that clearly refute him.

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Well, as long as the TA152 has got wep it climbs about 300-400 feet better at 20k, without wep it climbs slower.


Ahh yes, if you have used up 10 minutes of very good wep, the TA loses one of its advantages over the LA7, by 400 FPM.

I respond with more stuff. bla, bla, bla.

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Ammo, ya beat your self up now. First you post the charts in here then you say LA7 hardly has any wep at 20k anyway.

LA7 HAS NO WEP at 20k WHAT SO EVER BUT it's climb speed Without Wep is quite much better then a TA152's climb speed Without wep at the same alt, ONLY if the TA152 has got Wep left it can outclimb the LA7 at 20k, just look at the charts YOU posted.

Ta152 has got the same amount of wep as all LW planes (except very early 1940 planes) in the game, that is 10 minutes. The Jumo Engine in AH takes longer to cool down though.
The REAL LIFE engine could be run for 10 minutes, with pauses of 5 minutes, run 10 minutes, pause 5 etc UNTIL the Water Methanol injection was out so here some of the LW planes lose an advantage but that's not what this is about. Nor is this about the LA7's high alt abaility, becasue as you've said, it does suck up there, not to mention how fun those planes are to fight at 30k (yes I have seen one up there).

Have I said I want the TA152 to be a Jewel at low alts? Didn't think so, definatly not anywhere the past year have I said that. The TA152 deck speed (H modell) we have is about the same as in AH as it should be, not untill over 25k does it really shine and yup there spits still outclimb and outturn them so why is the TA152 Perked? Don't give me any crap about production numbers please.
One more thing, the TA152, with Wep and 25% fuel does 460mph (exactly after 10 minutes test) at 41.000 feet, this is 12mph too slow.
At 31.000 feet it should do around a 460mph acodring to the AH charts and it does (461Mph). AH charts show it alot slower at 41k then it is in AH but even 460 is too slow.


Didn t ever mean to get  you on your soap box about the TA. My original point was to refute minus's  blurt.  My second post wasnt really neccessary,  Just want to say that at hi alt's, the TA is MUCH more Airplane than the LAGG.

Minus's, now upset, blurts this--
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ammo if something false then is it you !

LA7 outurn and out climb and out E perform Ta152 and you cant change this , yes if la7 climb on the other side of map like ta152 then yes , Ta 152 climb beter but if neer you got seroius problem , nothing hold E like La7

before you try post craps about False stuf first try the Ta152 to fly vs any medium or decent stick in la7 , then you will anderstud

!punt !

i not play anymore AH but stil suport and pay my acount

waiting for something to change


Still clinging on to something, even after I made a pretty decent argument that the LAGG is not even in the same league as the TA at hi-alt's.

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Like I said before, LA7 still outclimb s ALOT of things at 20k as long as those things don't use WEP, if those other planes USE Wep the LA7 can still keep up with them.


I can agree with that statement, even if I think its obvious to alot of people. There are a number of AC that the LAGG will outclimb at 20K. Even my old P-47, but I doubt he would follow me up long, as the advantage would soon be mine.
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« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2002, 11:55:11 AM »
I honestly can't believe we're having this discussion at all.  The La7 isn't going to be perked, people.  You're just going to have to deal with it.

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« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2002, 12:02:01 PM »
Its pointless DMF.  People still believe the F4u-1C was perked simply because people complained about it enough.  The precident has been set.

Same old thread... no new arguments.  I guess I just don't understand why they didn't just bump the last "perk the La-7" thread and save everyone the trouble.

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« Reply #65 on: May 20, 2002, 12:51:34 PM »
If you get in trouble in a high alt fighter, you cant simply climb to an altitude where you have an advantage, vs the la7 which can simply hit the deck, and either have the advantage, or leave your opponent circling.  Low level performance means more, more of the time than high level.

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« Reply #66 on: May 20, 2002, 01:57:22 PM »
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I honestly can't believe we're having this discussion at all.  The La7 isn't going to be perked, people.  You're just going to have to deal with it.

-- Todd/Leviathn


I agree. I simply don't see the problem. Learn to cope with them. Furthermore, just don't engage at a tactical disadvantage.

Reduced to the least complex answer; avoid them until you have an obvious tactical edge. Moreover, it makes little difference what you are flying once you have the advantage. Leave the La-7 alone, it's fine as it is.

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« Reply #67 on: May 20, 2002, 02:10:12 PM »
Whip that tired dead rotting horse !!!! Beat on it some more !!!

Sheez when are you guys gonna stop squeaking about the La7? Enought already.  Find a new whine.

Viper, get your facts straight.  The La7 does NOT have a 23mm cannon like the Il-2.  The 2 gun La7 with ShVak cannons is ballistically identical to the 3 gun (20mm) La7 with B20 cannons. In fact they fire the exact same shells.  The difference is just in the weight of the guns themselves.

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« Reply #68 on: May 20, 2002, 04:07:28 PM »
Just got to laugh at all the perk whines...  :D

La7's easy to beat but not easy to outrun, try fighting them instead of running and you'll do fine.

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« Reply #69 on: May 20, 2002, 04:15:48 PM »
my argument is...

we need more low cost perk rides IMO.  And the La7 is about the closest to a perk ride as we have in the set.

But if it doesn't ever get perked i am fine with it


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« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2002, 04:50:27 PM »
MrLars,  I don't know why, but after your statement about the LA7 being easy to beat I just got this bug to search your scores.  I searched only the last two tours and all you fly are LA7s with quite the kill/death ratio.  I guess it's easy to beat one if you fly one.  

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« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2002, 05:39:24 PM »
Perk the 51 you say? You're dreaming.

Forgot who said this, but they were right on...quit runnin from em and fight em...they are not a factor if handled correctly. You just have to respect their capabilities.

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« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2002, 05:43:40 PM »
Did minus just quit playing till the La7 is perked.
lololol

And just incase uninformed people take what they read here as a fact...
There is absolultly no parity between the guns on an F4u1c and the Guns on a 3 cannon La7. None. Period.
The equivilent load out in the game is a 109G with 3 mg151s.
Great little cannon package. But no range at all....The 4 hispano birds stand alone in firepower.

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« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2002, 05:52:21 PM »
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I guess it's easy to beat one if you fly one.  


It's also easy to beat one if you don't fly one.

I'm 27-2 against La7s in a Spit V this tour.

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« Reply #74 on: May 20, 2002, 06:10:08 PM »
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The equivilent load out in the game is a 109G with 3 mg151s.


I certainly don't argue that 4xHisbazooka is a sweet package, but have spent a bit of my (newbie) AH 3 months in the MG151 armed LW planes and the ShVAK armed Yak-9U it seems to me that the ShVAK is equivalent to the Hispano.  With the Yak-9U I can sometimes manage a 400yrd deflection shot.  I can't ever remember doing that with the MG-151s.

Is the information presented here incorrect per AH (or HTC) as it seems to support this.  From this site:

MG151/20 - 740 rpm, 710-800 m/s velocity (which one does the 109 have btw?)
ShVAK - 800 rpm, 860 m/s velocity
B-20 - 800 rpm, 860 m/s velocity (same stats, lighter gun)
Hispano MkII - 600rpm, 880 m/s

So the ShVak and B-20 are only 20 m/s slower but fire 33% faster than the Hispano.  They are 60rpm better and at least 60m/s faster than the MG151/20.  From this I'd say the LA-7 firepower is closer to the Tempest than to the ME109 with gondolas.

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NOTE: I'm full of it.  See my next post below, in which I flame myself...
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