War on terrorism ineffective

[Curval]

Originally posted by Hortlund

And the next 9-11 is just a question of time, whether we keep our eyes open or not. People tend to forget that.

I certainly am not forgetting it.  I am currently avoiding any travel to the US (except the Con, of course) and I am glad that my wife and kids have no reason to go there.  I just read that 25 "extremists" have entered the US illegally, intent on conducting terrorist operations in the US.

I have a nasty suspicion that the US is about to experience a taste of what it must be like to live under the constant threat of suicide bombers, as they do in Israel.

[Naso]

I dont know why all this recall me the period end'43 - '45, when my country was split in two, with in the north a small part (the fascists) still fighting side to side with our former allied, and another small part in the same territory, fighting what they called a "freedom war" against them, and a bigger part of population triyng to survive in a "neutral mode".

We know who won, and our "partigiani" are now the symbol of freedom fighters, while the "Repubblichini" (fighting for the "Repubblica di Salò") were the collaborationists of the german occupation forces.

But in those times, the media used the word "Terrorists" to define the partigiani and big operations were fielded by germans and repubblichini to catch the "terrorists", and there was always some "collateral damage" in the battle

Like in the "Via Rasella - Rome" bomb, that killed 33 german soldier and a civilian, followed by the shooting of 254 people (politic prisoners, common prisoners and jews) for retaliance (spell??) common know as "Eccidio delle Fosse Ardeatine".

Back on this times, and those places, just for an exercise, imagine one of those 1.800 deads....

He was in his house near an IL settlement, early in the morning he ear a big engine outdoor of his house, he look out and a big Caterpillar is approaching, he go out, screaming WTF!?! and at the last moment notice some armed settler escorted by some soldier... too late.. one of the settlers open fire and kill him.

The wife and the children escape from the backdoor while the Cat push down the little house...

The settlers needed some more land for relatives just arrived from the former URSS republics.

This event was filed as an aggression by a terrorist to a settler stopped by self-defence, and the destruction of the house was justified because the house was abandoned.

The wife escaped in Europe, to her brother that work here, they lost theyr country, and decided to live in an European country, where they discover what REAL democracy is.

It's just one history... just one, maybe a special one, but is enough to made someone wonder if what we ear in our fat and rich country is the only thruth.

who knows, better to go there and see by our own eyes, then talk.

[Hortlund]

I certainly am not forgetting it. I am currently avoiding any travel to the US (except the Con, of course) and I am glad that my wife and kids have no reason to go there. I just read that 25 "extremists" have entered the US illegally, intent on conducting terrorist operations in the US.

I have a nasty suspicion that the US is about to experience a taste of what it must be like to live under the constant threat of suicide bombers, as they do in Israel.

I know what you mean. The thing that really scares me...I mean really scares me, you know the kind of ice cold fear that hits you in the gut like a ton of bricks...is the threat of bio weapons.

The arabs have access to it, and they are the only ones mental enough to try to use it too.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Hortlund


I know what you mean. The thing that really scares me...I mean really scares me, you know the kind of ice cold fear that hits you in the gut like a ton of bricks...is the threat of bio weapons.

The arabs have access to it, and they are the only ones mental enough to try to use it too.

I do think you are going "un peu vite en besogne" (*)/ a bit to fast ...
For exemple the 1st use of gaz as a terror weapon was not by Arabs(**)  I can be wrong.

And if I'm no mistaken the case of use of Anthrax in USA no one was caught by police and found guilty ...
so it can be domestic terrorist...


(*) dunno the english equivalent
(**) I've just a question : for you wich country are Arab country ?

[Hortlund]

Well, I guess we are toejam out of luck then Straffo, because I dont understand one word of French

I think the anthrax attacks in the US was by a lone -obviously deranged- US citizen. He probably works at a bio weapons research facility too.

First use of gas as terror weapon, I have no idea, but I think it might be the Germans or the British.

Arab countries:
Any country containing lots of sand, which is ruled by leaders claiming to be moslems and inhabited by people wearing rags around their heads. There they spend lots of time face down on small rugs facing a city where there is a large stone which everyone wants to travel to and kiss once a year.

[Naso]

Originally posted by straffo

For exemple the 1st use of gaz as a terror weapon was not by Arabs(**)  I can be wrong.

You are not wrong, the first use I know was in the colonial war Italy conducted in Lybia, using some sort of gas against villagers in 1908 or so (as a side notice we were the first to bomb civvies from a plane in those times, what a think to be proud, eh? )
 

[AKSWulfe]

Straffo, you may not have heard (as many other people outside the US probably haven't) that the Anthrax- particularly the strain found in the mail room of the state dept (I think, someone else can clarify it for me) was a strain that was traced to our own military.

So it's quite possible all Anthrax threats/actual cases were home grown domestic terrorists in the states.

I think it'd be quite difficult for them to smuggle bio weapons into the US due to the very volitile state they are in. They have be kept certain temps, or at certain pressures otherwise they die or activate...

Either way, I dunno how much of a threat bio weapons are inside of the states. (seriously, I dunno)

Also Straffo, if you mean to say the first use of gas bio weapons wasn't by the Arabs, you are right... it was by the Germans in WWI using Mustard Gas. (some evil sheeit right there) EDIT: Or Naso is right... but still the Germans did use Mustard gas in WWI! :-)
-SW

[Naso]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Arab countries:
Any country containing lots of sand, which is ruled by leaders claiming to be moslems and inhabited by people wearing rags around their heads. There they spend lots of time face down on small rugs facing a city where there is a large stone which everyone wants to travel to and kiss once a year.  

LOL Steve, I hope you are joking

This is one of the most "Luogo comune" * based definition that I ever read, fantastic!!!

* dunno exact translation of "luogo comune", but mean when you use a big part of prejudice, mixed with lot of ignorance to made a vaste generalization.
Like when here in Italy the sweeden are defined like "a bunch of tall, blonde haired and blue eyed vikings, wearing strange helmets with horns, with tall, blonde, blue eyed and easy girls, used to take a bath in every fountain in an Italian city, and used to hunt latin lovers during holidays"

[straffo]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Well, I guess we are toejam out of luck then Straffo, because I dont understand one word of French

Np:) sometime I don't either

I think the anthrax attacks in the US was by a lone -obviously deranged- US citizen. He probably works at a bio weapons research facility too.

First use of gas as terror weapon, I have no idea, but I think it might be the Germans or the British.

Oce again different background at work
I was thinking of the Japanese attack in the metro by the Aoum sect.

Arab countries:
Any country containing lots of sand, which is ruled by leaders claiming to be moslems and inhabited by people wearing rags around their heads. There they spend lots of time face down on small rugs facing a city where there is a large stone which everyone wants to travel to and kiss once a year.  

Ouch , that's a lot of places in the world ...
I think that even mongolia will correspond to the description

Saoudia fit too and actually thy can be considered as allied ... even if I consider them more as retarded than allied.

And btw don't be so quick to judge the Arabs they given us a lot of things in the past and Arab poetry is still on the top of poetry.
Even if there is a lot of "middle age" arabic country today ...


@Naso : St Exupery said "the first to put a weapon in a plane was a criminal ..."

@SW : I was not aware that it was traced back to your own military I was just formulating an hypothese.
Internal or external terrorist are in the very same league for me  : they should be punished ...

[straffo]

Originally posted by Naso


Like when here in Italy the sweeden are defined like "a bunch of tall, blonde haired and blue eyed vikings, wearing strange helmets with horns, with tall, blonde, blue eyed and easy girls, used to take a bath in every fountain in an Italian city, and used to hunt latin lovers during holidays"

that must be a correct definition as we french use the same

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Naso


LOL Steve, I hope you are joking

This is one of the most "Luogo comune" * based definition that I ever read, fantastic!!!

* dunno exact translation of "luogo comune", but mean when you use a big part of prejudice, mixed with lot of ignorance to made a vaste generalization.
Like when here in Italy the sweeden are defined like "a bunch of tall, blonde haired and blue eyed vikings, wearing strange helmets with horns, with tall, blonde, blue eyed and easy girls, used to take a bath in every fountain in an Italian city, and used to hunt latin lovers during holidays"

Heh, yeah, I wasnt too serious with the definition of Arab nations. Your description of us Swedes are not too far from the mark though, at least that part about hunting latin lovers is true

(every summer Sweden is invaded by tens of thousands of foreigners, mostly from the Med-area, all of them trying to get inside the pants of our girls. Apparently there is some wide-spread belief about our girls.)

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by straffo
And btw don't be so quick to judge the Arabs they given us a lot of things in the past and Arab poetry is still on the top of poetry.

Ok, I can think of numbers 1,2,3 etc (back in 700-something was it) and algebra (gee thanks).

Anyway, what I meant was arab terrorist organizations.

[AKSWulfe]

(every summer Sweden is invaded by tens of thousands of foreigners, mostly from the Med-area, all of them trying to get inside the pants of our girls. Apparently there is some wide-spread belief about our girls.)

Yes, and that belief extends all the way to the US... it's like scripture... there's no possible way it can't be true!
-SW

[midnight Target]

Modern chemistry originated with the Arabs also. Al-kemi (Alchemy) was developed to its highest form by Arabs such as Geber and a guy named "False Geber" (Used Geber's name, but it wasn't him.) These guys developed many processes in chemical processing and WROTE IT DOWN, so others might learn from it. Compared to Europe during the same period (400 to 1000 a.d.) the Arabs were light years ahead.

[Hortlund]

Yes, and that belief extends all the way to the US... it's like scripture... there's no possible way it can't be true!
-SW

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Well, if its true it only applies to foreigners (dont count on it though). Swedish girls pants are among the hardest in the world to get into.

Why? Because the vast majority of Swedish girls are drop dead gorgeous, and they know it too...thats a bad combination.

Finnish girls pants on the other hand are among the easiest in the world to get into. But that's because the vast majority of Finnish girls are horribly ugly and they know it too...that is also a bad combination, but at least it is easy to get into their pants. Hmm..come to think about it, I think its an even worse combination than the one mentioned above. Add alcohol to the equation and you'll understand why so many Swedes wake up screaming on the Sweden-Finland ferries.